Feds raid Arizona gun store tied to Mexican drug cartels

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Should be interesting to hear more details. The only photo shows a woman carrying some SKS's out of the shop.

The article has the usual ridiculous press statements. My favorite is the inference that a .38 pistol is a "specialized handgun."

Feds raid gun store tied to Mexican drug cartels
Agents say weapons at murder scenes came from Phoenix

64 comments by Sean Holstege - May. 7, 2008 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Federal agents swooped down on a north Phoenix gun store Tuesday in the biggest weapons bust in years, highlighting Arizona's major role as an arms conduit to violent drug cartels in Mexico.

Authorities said the store was a source for at least 650 high-powered weapons, including 250 AK-47 automatic weapons, smuggled to drug cartels for use in the escalating Mexican drug war. That war left 2,500 dead last year, and Arizona weapons were used to assassinate police and battle army squads near the border, authorities said.

The raid on X-Caliber Guns on North Cave Creek Road capped an 11-month investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Phoenix Police Department and the Arizona Attorney General's Office. Agents pored over evidence in the store, seized 1,300 weapons and closed down the business.

Authorities arrested store owner George Iknadosian, 46, and two brothers, Hugo Miguel Gamez, 26, of Mesa, and Cesar Boroguez-Gamez, 28, of Phoenix, who are suspected of trafficking the weapons. All were booked into a Maricopa County jail.

The bust was noteworthy because of the large number of weapons seized and because licensed gun dealers are rarely the target of investigations. It was the first shutdown of an Arizona gun store in at least five years, Attorney General Terry Goddard said.

Officials pointed out that weapons come back to Arizona in the hands of drug smugglers and coyotes who confine illegal immigrants at gunpoint in Valley drophouses.

"This is a despicable crime. It puts all of us at risk because these drophouses are in your neighborhoods," Phoenix Assistant Police Chief Andy Anderson said.

The investigation reveals the reach of cartel gunrunners and signals growing teamwork between U.S. and Mexican authorities. Mexican prosecutors sat in on suspect interviews.

The federal Attorney General's Office in Mexico issued a statement Tuesday saying the office "recognizes and salutes these actions carried out by the U.S. authorities to interrupt the illegal trafficking of firearms into Mexican territory."

Iknadosian was arrested Tuesday at his Glendale home and is accused of fraud, money laundering, illegal arms-trafficking and running an illegal enterprise. He started selling guns in Arizona in 2004.

The Gamez brothers are accused of setting up a network of straw purchasers who acted as go-betweens to buy the guns on the brothers' behalf. The two are suspected of then transporting the weapons to Mexico. Hugo is a U.S. citizen, and Cesar is a Mexican citizen living legally in Phoenix.

ATF Supervisory Special Agent Pete Forcelli said Iknadosian knew the guns were going to cartels. In making the case, undercover agents bought weapons, and he coached them on how fill out paperwork to disguise the sales.

Weapons traced to X-Caliber turned up at several Mexican murder scenes. In one recent Mexican case, an X-Caliber AK-47 was found alongside grenade-launcher equipment and 3 tons of marijuana.

One of the guns sold by X-Caliber was a .38-caliber pistol recovered in January when the Mexican army arrested a Sinaloan cartel leader, Alfredo Beltran Leyva, in Culiacan. Leyva was suspected of running hit squads and is right-hand man to Mexico's most-wanted fugitive, cartel boss Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman.

Forcelli said a remarkable thing about the X-Caliber case is that owner Iknadosian knew he was under investigation.

"If I had to describe this guy in one word, it would be arrogant," Forcelli said. "He knew we were looking at him, and he did it anyway."

Undercover agents bought a dozen AK-47s and a specialized handgun like Beltran-Leyva's from X-Caliber.

Agents said Iknadosian paid less attention than liquor-store owners do in checking identification.

Recent discoveries and Tuesday's bust show that Arizona gun-smugglers are arming three of Mexico's four major drug-smuggling cartels. Arizona weapons have been found as faraway as Cancun.

ATF agents have traced weapons seized in Juarez and Tijuana back to Arizona.

During a Juarez gunbattle between the army and drug shooters, a .50-caliber rifle that had been bought in Arizona was used to decapitate a Juarez police officer.
 
The U.S.Attorney General's Office in D.C issued a statement Tuesday saying the office "recognizes and salutes these actions carried out by the Mexican authorities to interrupt the illegal trafficking of drugs and people into American territory."

Hey, I can still dream, right. ;)

That said, these guys sound like complete scumbags, who knew darn well what they were doing, and I personally think its great, that IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, these guys got shut down and will go to prison. They were deliberatly hurting ALL of US, as well as innocent people in Mexico, with thier greed.
 
It's unfortunate that I can't even trust the news to get the basic facts right. For instance, were the "AK-47s" actually automatic as the article states, or were they of the legal semi-automatic flavor? I see that simple distinction screwed up in news reports so often it's impossible to know what kind of guns they're actually talking about... Assuming we're talking about semi-automatic guns, which I would bet money is the actual case - what does agents buying some AKs "undercover" actually mean? Anyone with a clean record can walk into a gunstore and buy guns, I wonder how involved in the actual smuggling this gun shop really is. Maybe they're in it up to their necks, maybe not, I guess we just have to trust the ATF and the press to cover it accurately...
 
the photo shows a woman carrying an sks and the caption says "rifle" instead of the dreaded "AW". just when you know what to expect from the media, they throw a curve ball atcha.
 
what does agents buying some AKs "undercover" actually mean?

If store owner knowingly aided them in falsely filling out a form, or was aware that it was a straw purchase, then it means that he is likely going to jail for a while.
 
During a Juarez gunbattle between the army and drug shooters, a .50-caliber rifle that had been bought in Arizona was used to decapitate a Juarez police officer.

Uh oh...I don't like the sound of that. Hope this doesn't get used against us as a reason to ban the ".50 cal super assault sniper assassination weapon of mass destruction"
 
Mexico can start lecturing us on our gun laws when we can start lecturing them about their illegal alien encouraging government policies.
Until then they can be quiet and let the LE on our side of the fence handle this case.
 
I don't want to stir up a bunch of crap here but who cares if the AK's were full or semi auto or if they called the sks an assault weapon or rifle. IF and I repeat IF what these guys are accused of is true thats all that matters. I'm a lot more concerned with the fact that we are being overrun with illegals and dope in this country and if the feds can get rid of the scumbags in this country that help supply these people with weapons illegally. Also I would imagine if someone was shot in the head with a 50 cal rifle you could call it a decapitation:evil:
 
Have to agree 100% with Home Depot George, if these guys are found guilty I hope they get the maximum sentence.
 
It's unfortunate that I can't even trust the news to get the basic facts right. For instance, were the "AK-47s" actually automatic as the article states,

Yes they were just as every 1911 is an automatic pistol. The term "automatic" is correctly applied when referring to guns as automatic loading guns (aka auto loaders) or automatic firing (more than one round per trigger pull, aka fully automatic). The AK47s were at least automatic loading semi-automatic firing rifles. The the article is accurate (assuming they seized AK-47s anyway).

It is rather hard to find fault with the media for such a twist of words since they are taking from the gun industry.
 
It's unfortunate that I can't even trust the news to get the basic facts right. For instance, were the "AK-47s" actually automatic as the article states, or were they of the legal semi-automatic flavor?

Okay, I am curious about how hard it would be to convert to full auto once in the hands of these cartels?

I mean the guns have already at this point been smuggled internationally to a drug cartel.. I don't think the gang is worried about charges for altering to full-auto...
 
Okay, I am curious about how hard it would be to convert to full auto once in the hands of these cartels?

It's easier and cheaper to buy them already full auto, either from corrupt Mexican Army or Police or import them in from the south.
Honduras is an excellent source of that kind of thing, as are many of the Central American countries with all their political turmoil.

It takes a good deal of time and machine skills to do a conversion.

Much easier to buy them that way already.
 
Federal agents swooped down on a north Phoenix gun store Tuesday in the biggest weapons bust in years, highlighting Arizona's major role as an arms conduit to violent drug cartels in Mexico.

Authorities said the store was a source for at least 650 high-powered weapons, including 250 AK-47 automatic weapons, smuggled to drug cartels for use in the escalating Mexican drug war. That war left 2,500 dead last year, and Arizona weapons were used to assassinate police and battle army squads near the border, authorities said.

I'm betting that all of these rifles were sold over a long period of time and the Feds slowly built a case to go after these guys. Meanwhile, they had much more urgent and more dangerous people to spend their time and efforts on persecut..I mean prosecuting just a ways down the road at Cavalry Arms.:rolleyes:
 
It's easier and cheaper to buy them already full auto, either from corrupt Mexican Army or Police or import them in from the south.

Thanks Tex. But what about a ready made supply like this one supposedly was, that if they come across the border fixed for semi, have a mini factory set up with parts kits, or machining tools ready to convert.

I mean, if buying already set for full-auto was easier and cheaper, why would the cartels bother with the US semi-auto connection?

My theory that demand was out-stripping supply from the south, so they went with the US available semi-autos..
 
mean, if buying already set for full-auto was easier and cheaper, why would the cartels bother with the US semi-auto connection?

No, I mean it's easier to get full auto already that way rather than convert.

It's much easier to get semi here and take them across of course, and I suspect that's what happened here.

But if they DO decide they want full auto it's easier to buy them from the south rather than convert them.

I doubt they were full auto personally, the press is not a good source for stuff like that :)

The other thing to consider is that the guns were not all intended for use in the drug business.

This shop allegedly sold 650 guns into Mexico and what, 2 or 3 have shown back up over here?

This cartel was quite possibly making a good bit of money selling those guns inside Mexico, no need to convert them to full auto for that.
 
I doubt they were full auto personally, the press is not a good source for stuff like that

Certainly agreed upon..

Too many stories here which we know are wrong or flat out lies by the press.
 
Typical ATF Bulls$%^

Nothing actually new here guys, I've known George twenty or more years, he had numerous conversations with the police and ATF, every gun had a background check and every background check came back clean by the very people running this scam. My son worked there this summer and saw some of this going on. They completly set him up. Then during the raid had my 60 year old mom standing outside their home practically naked, wouldn't get her something to cover up, they just pushed them around and did the typical ATF crap. The guns taken from the house were very old, very special and very valuable collectors, most had never been fired, they took them and threw them in the back of a pickup truck. If you all don't know our government and the news by now enough to know that you're only getting half the facts, what else can I say! It'll all come out. I have encouraged them to get the NRA, ACLU and every other gun group involved, this has to stay public or they will railroad George into prison. This guy is the most miticulous person I know, every t is crossed, every i dotted, if any paperwork is mysteriously gone, you can guess why. As a victim of ID theft by the 12 million illegals here I find it all rather funny that our law enforcement can't do their job so they setup a guy because he refused to discrimate against hispanics and do the governments job for them. Can you imagine the lawsuit and publicity if he had refused to sell to hispanics with proper id, I can see the headlines now "Local gun store owner discriminates" Think the ATF or police would have stepped forward and said they asked him to do that? Where'd these people get the id's, why did the government clear them, whose watching the boarder if these guns supposedly went back and forth? Talk about transferring blame!
 
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Well as a mater of reality a lot of full-auto rifles can and do come across Mexico's southern border, and sometimes along its substantial coastline.

Gun smuggling from the United States was going on long before the 1910 Revolution when it picked up to a considerable degree. The reason is that Mexico has never had any creditable manufacturers to supply its needs, beyond that of its military forces, and they are largely supplied with imports.

Corrupt U.S. dealers along the border are a well-overblown issue, as are the pot shots at gun shows. I suspect that most arms that are obtained from these sources end up with Mexican citizens that can’t legally obtain guns, or regular, ordinary criminals. Obviously neither FFL’s nor gun shows offer true military weapons of the kind the Mexican government and our mainstream media often ascribes to them.

The large drug outfits are rolling in money, and as they say, enough of it can buy you anything. But both the Mexican government and the BATF&E need to have a scapegoat.

In what is sometimes a rural war zone, evil black rifles and hi-cap pistols are popular with everybody, so that’s what you find in most local shops. I can think of one in my area that is typical and completely on the up-and-up. Rows of cases are filled with black polymer pistols, the walls are lined with EBR’s, and if you look hard you’ll find a few revolvers, and last I looked maybe two cap & ball replicas. This is simply a sign of the times. Dealers carry what sells.
 
dddfam, Thank you for stepping forward. That being said, please talk to the family lawyer. It may be a bad idea--for George--to make any public statements. As much as it may sting, the ATF's twisted version of events, and our wild speculations here, may have to stand uncontested if George is going to get a fair shake. Anything that George or anyone "in the know" says may come back to hurt him later.
 
Adding On

Spoke with my mom this morning, in tears, the attorney saw George last night, they've got him in a room, naked with A blanket, thats it, now claiming that he has mental problems and may have to move him to a mental hospital. Is this the Phoenix police department or a military torture chamber trying to get a confession from an innocent man? The bail bonds person called to arrange bail, after 45 minutes the police hung up on her and than when she called back they said it was too late at night to do anyhting, guees he has to stay another night. They have nothing, so now that they've looked at his records, searched the house, they know it and their panicking. My mom was saying that her computer was not on the warrants (she finally got a copy) but they took it (their going to find out her and George are crappy solitaire players), They also took his collector cars though the warrant said search them! You guys gotta help me keep this public, I don't expect you to blindly believe me, but you can at least ask the questions! My mom was saying that George is so innocent, in the aspect of believing that our government wouldn't do this, that he checked with an attorney and was following the law so they wouldn't do this. This, as I've said is a nice, GENTLEmen, who believes in his country unfortunately.
 
Mexico can start lecturing us on our gun laws when we can start lecturing them about their illegal alien encouraging government policies.
Until then they can be quiet and let the LE on our side of the fence handle this case.

My sentiments exactly. Hey Mexico, the Texicans and later the Marines handed your butt to you. Do we have to come down there and do it all over again?

On another note, it's sad when the government and it's agents are "gunning" for someone if the person they are "gunning" for is in the right and done nothing wrong. Growing up I watched this happen between a close family friend and the IRS.

It's amazing how after years of court battles and stress that $3,000,000 in back taxes becomes a "possible accounting error of $0.13 and that can't be proven."

BikerRN
 
Someone please tell me where I can get a full automatic AK here in the US, none have ever been legally imported. A few have been illegally modified, any competant gunsmith would be able to do that, also some criminals too.Now Thompsons, M2 carbines and Colt mil-spec M-16s are available if you are willing to pay the price.Now if my life depended on believing a batf agent, he better be accompanied by Jesus Christ himself, as their record of speaking the truth is abysmal.
 
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