Wolf 30 carbine ammo sucks

I put 50 rounds of Wolf through my M1 carbine with no problems. Shot to point of aim. I mainly wanted to make sure it would cycle properly, and it did.

350 rounds in a short session without a single problem: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=300116 It doesn't exactly sound like the ammo is crap, so much as you expect every load to hit POA without re zeroing. I really wish the world worked like that, but unfortunately it's never been the case. I'm sure it's a vast conspiracy by manufacturers to make us burn through more ammo sighting in!

I'm withholding any comment or suggestion until the OP tells us whether returning to Remmie ammo required the RS to be re-centered.

I've never seen a windage shift in zeros from one ammo to another be more than 4 MOA. That's just one full turn of your windage knob, IIRC, and 3-4 full turns shy of what it would take to "go all the way."

I had the same thing with my M1 carbine, it is zeroed in with the sight almost all the way to the left......but thats why the sights move, so you can zero it in. Why are you complaining if it is consistent and functioning? As long as it is zeroed who cares where the sight is

After speculating and opining about Wolf .30 carbine,
I bit the bullet and bought a box of 50 wolf .30 carbine
at the time I picked up some wolf 7.63x39mm at the local shop.
It shot same windage but slightly low elevation, and did not
eject as forcefully as the Federal .30 carbine I shot that day.

The way the carbine action is bedded at the hook on the
rear of the action into the recoil plate, and at the barrel band
at the front of the stock, might account why some folks have
windage problems with different .30 carbine ammos and some
folks don't.

The metric designation for .30 carbine is 7.62x33mm BTW.

The problems I had with the Wolf was not all the primers wouldn't ignite. Out if 250 rounds I had 15 or so rounds that wouldn't ignite or would jam. I need to buy a new press to reload some once fired stuff I have.

Followup: today fired 35 rounds of Wolf .30 carbine in a M1 carbine made
by IBM in 1943. Ended up with progressive ejection problems until
the last five rounds in a row the casings had to be pried out with
a pocket knife. Without cleaning, I fired Federal and Lake City ammo
with much more positive ejection, no problems. The Wolf grouped
very good, slightly low (I shot at 100 yds using the 150 yd elevation
setting) but failure-to-eject regressed from 1 in ten to 5 in five,
not good. Now, a carbine with a tighter, smoother chamber and
more a positive extractor might have no problems with Wolf ammo,
but mine does.

Lesson: Always testfire ammo in your gun before counting on it.

Oddly enough, I just shot my first box of Wolf .30 carbine ammo in a Universal the other day. I did not even know that I had it in stock; found it when looking for something else.

Worked fine in my gun, but the gun isn't a fussy one. It works with everything I've put in it. Point of impact was maybe a touch lower than the Remington soft points it's sighted in with, but not really a factor shooting offhand. It does seem to be significantly milder than the S&B FMJ or Remington soft point that I normally shoot.

The gun needed a cleaning afterward, but it had had a couple hundred rounds through it before the Wolf.

I've probably put a 1000-1300 rounds of Wolf through mine with no problems, as accurate as any other ammo I've tried. Seems to vary a lot by the individual rifle.

I've heard the reason Wolf tends to be dirtier is the steel case doesn't seal the chamber quite as well as brass, so get some leakage.

Right now use a single-stage press for loading rifle ammo. Once you get a rhythm going, you can turn out a fair amount in a reasonable time. Been casting a Lyman 113-grain gas-check bullet for plinking, works very well.

Seems to vary a lot by the individual rifle.
I have seen this with two AR7s that I own; one is very accurate and super reliable with CCI Stinger, but the other prints a group twice as large, but is accurate with Winchester SuperX. Guns are very often individuals, and for everyone of us who has had problems with Wolf .30 carbine, there are probably other users who wonder what we are conplaining about.

Not counting the cost of your time. How long to load 50 rounds?

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Depends on your setup. My old single stage rock chucker isn't the fastest in the world so I break things down a little by one day just going through and resizing all the brass in the house that I load on that press and it's ready to load another day when I have nothing else better to do. The Dillon 650 onb the other hand can load ammo a little faster. I forget what the advertized rounds per hour is but we found that when working as a team, we managed to load 1346 rounds of .45 ACP in an hour. So it's going to depend a lot on your equipment.
Besides, you talk about reloading having to figure in your cost of time. How much is your time worth here pecking on a keyboard? If you approach it like a hobby, the cost is irrelevant. If you approach it like it's a job, well, I guess you could take up knitting or collecting beani-babies.

I dunno. For me, Wolf's .30 carbine ejects nicely and zeros the same as the Remington and Agila ammo that is common around here.

The sucky part being of course, that Wolf has steel cases.

Yep. I totally agree.

I only bought 100 rounds because it was cheap and I already knew about Wolf's reputation for poor ammo. I have an Underwood and an IBM M1 Carbine. Neither one of them liked that Wolf stuff. It was so bad that I only shot one 10 round magazine through each gun.

I gave the other 80 rounds of Wolf crap to somebody at the range. I warned them that it was crap. He said he had a revolver that shoots .30 carbine. I never heard of such a gun but thats probably the only gun this crap ammo will work in if such a gun exists.

Joe

He said he had a revolver that shoots .30 carbine. I never heard of such a gun but thats probably the only gun this crap ammo will work in if such a gun exists.

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There is. The Ruger Blackhawk is available in .30 carbine.

I guess I have always gotten the best Wolf stuff around. My advise is to seek out the Agila ammo, if you can find it. About the same cost as Wolf, but it has brass casings.

I discovered their ammo also seems to be loaded a little underpowered. (Atleast the lot I used)

I ran 100 rounds of Wolf .30 Carbine through my 1943 Underwood a few years ago. I had no functioning problems with the Wolf, but when I switched to some RA-52 Ball, I had a few extraction failures until I cleaned the chamber. The Wolf ammo left the chamber very dirty.

Compared with the Korean War-vintage GI ammo, Wolf was noticeably underpowered.

I'm withholding any comment or suggestion until the OP tells us whether returning to Remmie ammo required the RS to be re-centered.

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I have to agree with this. There may be a problem that occured at the time time you switched ammo, but you wont know until you try the Remmie again.

Follow up II

Here is a problem with stuck casings in M1 carbine:

The casing sticks in the firing chamber.
The piston still imparts energy to the operating slide
to drive the bolt back, pulling the extractor against
the stuck casing.

Steel extractor against stuck brass case, the brass gives.
Steel extractor against stuck steel case, ouch.

April, I fired sixty rounds (Winchester, brass case) through my
carbine, and extraction was fine, but ejection went weak.
Stripping the gun, I found the lip or beak of the extractor
was chipped. (Proper ejection in the M1 carbine requires
teamwork between the extractor and ejector.)

I ordered an extractor from Gun Parts Corp. Friday,
it arrived today, and a comparison of the two showed most
of the lip of the old extractor was gone.

I swapped out extractors (needed a slave pin and thin knife
blade to do that without the armourer's tool for M1 bolt).

Don't think I'll shoot any more steel cased ammo in my M1 carbine.
(And I think I'll start using the chamber brush when I clean
my 7.62x39 Yugo too.)

Ole Painless tested this ammo in his Box O' Truth


http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu19.htm

My main gripe with Wolf .30 is that is seems loaded way weak and short strokes the op-rod causing FTFs.

Shoots accurate though with a red dot at 80-100 yards.

FFMedic