Bringing handgun to CO from KS

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You will notice that statute covers CARRYING a weapon in a vehicle. That is why it is limited to hunting or lawful protection. If you were going to the range or taget practice, you would not be CARRYING the weapon, you would be TRANSPORTING the weapon, which would presume that the gun would at least be unloaded, if not cased.

It would be kind of scary to state that I was carrying a loaded .45 on my hip at the McDonald's drive through in the middle of Denver for target practice. :what:
 
Quote: You will notice that statute covers CARRYING a weapon in a vehicle. That is why it is limited to hunting or lawful protection. If you were going to the range or taget practice, you would not be CARRYING the weapon, you would be TRANSPORTING the weapon, which would presume that the gun would at least be unloaded, if not cased.

Interesting point, but I don't think the statute supports the distinction you are making.

The distinction fails when looked at in the context of a firearm for the purposes of hunting.

If, on a deer hunting trip, my rifle is cased, unloaded, and in the trunk, I indeed have it in my car for "hunting" purposes.

But am I "carrying" it?

Under your definition of "carry" (that is, apparently, anything that is beyond mere transportation), no. Even though I am bringing the rifle from point A to point B for the purposes of hunting, I would only be "transporting" it.

But why, then, have a provision in the statute that preempts carrying a firearm for the purposes of hunting? Nobody is going to have a loaded, uncased rifle on his backseat (this is illegal, anyhow). Therefore, (almost) any hunter would necessarily be "transporting" his firearm.

Drawing a distinction between "carrying" and "transportation," then, does not make a lot of sense, because it moots the entire provision about carrying a firearm for purposes of hunting.

On the other hand, if you read the statute's "carry" as encompassing transportation, it makes sense for both self-defense purposes and hunting purposes. The statute applies whether I have (1) a loaded pistol under the seat for self-defense, or (2) an unloaded hunting rifle in the trunk.

The loaded/unloaded or cased/uncased does not make a real difference in this context. The only thing that makes a difference is the PURPOSE I am carrying the firearm for. And the statute seems to preempt local laws for two purposes: hunting, and self-defense. Doesn't matter where the firearm is in the car, or whether it's loaded (well, it matters--but that is beyond the scope of THIS PARTICULAR preemption statute).

So I stand by my original point that the statute is a little odd because it preempts transportation/carrying of firearms for self-defense and hunting, but fails to preempt transportation for any other purpose. Odd as it may seem, a municipality could conceivably ban "all carrying of firearms in cars for purposes other than hunting or self-defense" and still get away with it under this statute. I just don't think there is any distinction here between "carrying" and "transportation": the statute seems to encompass both.
 
My point is this:

If I am going to the range for target practice, and let's just say I have to pass through Denver. I have one loaded handgun in a holster on my belt in my vehicle. That gun is covered under the preemption statute because it is my self defense gun and I am carrying it for the purpose of self defense.

Now, what about the other two handuns and two rifles I have in the vehicle with me? I don't have a hunting license, so I can't be hunting. It would be hard to make a case for the other four guns for self defense. So that means that I must fall back on whatever provision is made in the law of whatever locality I am in for the transportation of guns. I don't know Denver's laws and heck, I don't know Colorado's laws for the transportation of guns. I know FOPA if I have to travel through Colorado and Denver with a carload of guns.

So that's my point. The preemption statute would not apply to the other four guns in the vehicle in this circumstance, so I would have to fall back on the laws regarding the transportation of guns, vice the laws concerning carrying a gun.
 
It's worth noting that the tie vote in the CO supreme court has little, if any, precedential value. However, any subsequent challenge would probably also result in a tie, as, I believe, the composition of the court has not changed.
 
Quote (I don't know how to quote the real way--sorry): The preemption statute would not apply to the other four guns in the vehicle in this circumstance, so I would have to fall back on the laws regarding the transportation of guns

Navy, I agree with you completely when you put it that way.

I guess this is kind of a pedantic discussion anyhow, since I'm not aware of any local laws that ban transportation of firearms (except Denver, which has an inane AWB that I think does prohibit transportation).

But the point, which I think you and I agree on, is that a municipality COULD have such a ban, even with this statute. I guess one would have to argue that the AR-15 in the trunk was for self-defense--or varmint hunting on the Eastern Plains--in order to get the benefit of the preemption statute within, say, Denver.
 
It's worth noting that the tie vote in the CO supreme court has little, if any, precedential value. However, any subsequent challenge would probably also result in a tie, as, I believe, the composition of the court has not changed.

The CO SC has 7 members.One ,a new Justice reclused herself from the case because ,ironically, she had worked for the state on this Denver Home Rule matter before her appointment.
So if the case comes up again, you are probably correct.Another reclusal and another tie vote is possible.
 
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