What are these?

Not sure, do the red loads have shot in them? The pointed load might be an armor piercing.


NCsmitty

The pointed round is the old Highway Patrol Metal Piercing round. It was designed for shooting through metal car doors, etc. All the ones I had were a fairly thick metal point, with lead bearing surfaces on the bullet.

The rest of the rounds look like action proving rounds. If they don't have primers, then that's what they are.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Possibly the plastic bullets are for certain indoor training suitations were you don't want the rounds penetrating through walls etc. (My best guess). I've got some 9mm & 40cal rounds that have a hollow pastic bullet filled with a thickish red dye, that are intended for such purposes.

Armor piercing rounds tipically have a black tip. I would have to say that they were a simunition for building clearing for police departments to practice tactics with real bullets. BTW Simunitions hurt!!!!!!!!

BTW Simunitions hurt!!!!!!!!

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You know this why? Let me guess...

Is it the same reason there is a sign above the emergency exit on commercial airliners that read: "Don't open during flight"?

Wilki713,

Only U.S. military armor piercing rounds have black tips. The Winchester .357 Magnum Metal Piercing rounds didn't have black tips, just the conical metal shape. These were manufactured back when almost all revolver rounds were made with lead bullets, which were typically round nose in shape. They were made specifically for punching holes in cars by police officers.

Those also aren't Simunitions. The Simunition round is distinct in shape, so it won't be confused with regular ammunition. If I knew how to post pictures to a forum, I could show you one.

The .38 Special rounds in the photos are probably some type of practice round, similar to wax bullets, or the Speer plastic bullets. Bull-X also made rubber bullets for indoor practice, using only primers for propulsion. These aren't any of those, but could be similar.

Hope this helps.

Fred

The Winchester .357 Magnum Metal Piercing rounds didn't have black tips, just the conical metal shape.

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Concur. I have a box of these sitting in the safe.

Armor piercing rounds tipically have a black tip.

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The Winchester .357 Magnum Metal Piercing rounds didn't have black tips, just the conical metal shape.

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Note the wording 'metal piercing' not armor piercing.

This is just a guess, but could those red ones be some type of non lethal ammunition? If not I would say they are some sort of practise round.

The Winchester .357 Magnum Metal Piercing rounds didn't have black tips, just the conical metal shape.

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Yep, back in the day before speed loaders we would carry 3 or 4 in the belt loops and load them up when we set up roadblocks. Of course everybody knew that in those days a .357 magnum would smash completely through an engine block and exit from the trunk lid.

"Yep, back in the day before speed loaders we would carry 3 or 4 in the belt loops and load them up when we set up roadblocks. Of course everybody knew that in those days a .357 magnum would smash completely through an engine block and exit from the trunk lid. "

You were lucky. We weren't allowed to carry .357 Magnum ammunition for our .357 Magnum revolvers, only .38 +P. I fixed that by getting permission to carry my .41 Magnum for most of my career, with full load ammunition, not that puny "Police Load" made by Remington.

Fred

The logic of that defies logic!!!!

Only a police administrator could have come up with a screwy rule like that!

How in the world did they explain no .357 Mag, but .41 Mag was O.K.?

rc

It was probably because there are those in police admin jobs who believe that since 41 was a much smaller number than 357 and only 3 more than a 38 it would be very similar and thus OK. Jack Parr would say, "I kid you not."

It actually came about because of a change in Sheriffs. One of our Captains, who was very gun savvy, got himself elected Sheriff. One of his first acts, in the first week of his term, was to make it policy that if you wanted to carry your own sidearm, and could qualify with it and furnish your own practice ammunition and duty ammunition, he would allow it. He set realistic parameters as far as caliber (.38/9x19 minimum-.45 cal. maximum) and brands. Subsequent Sheriffs followed that policy until about a year and a half before I retired, so I was able to carry my .41 for almost 20 years of my career. Fortunately, I was behind a desk when the last Sheriff I worked for mandated the issue firearm, which I hated. I won't disclose what it was, since that would be way off topic, and start another war. Our department had just over 600 sworn officers.

As for the type of ammunition allowed, the County Attorney's Office always got involved, which was the big stumbling block, hence the .357 Magnum ban. Attorneys watch too much TV, and make decisions accordingly............

Fred

Gotta love that .41 mag though.

NYS can come up with some loony rules for LEO's also.

NYS prison guards can only load 5 rounds in an AR magazine for tower use.

Am I the only one that is going to venture that you try shooting one of the red ones?

If you do shoot one do it through a chronograph.