Will we ever get to have fully auto weapons?

I don't think full auto will happen anytime soon. They allowed licensing in D.C., so they'd probably allow licensing with regard to full autos.

Sure it would be immoral or against our principles, but this is politics.

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I don't see anything immoral with throwing in an off topic amendment.

if they made open bolt submachine guns like MACs in .22 LR, anyone could afford those.

Actually the cost of guns would be dramatically cheaper. For example here is a dealer list of Post 86 guns that are restricted to law enforment only. If the registry was taken away all of these would be available again.

http://www.centuryarms.com/law/Knob09-10_FINAL.pdf

General Geoff said:

so selling even semi-auto open bolt guns is a no-no.

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You sure about that? There are semi-auto Thompson replicas for legal sale out there...and they're not the only ones...

There are semi-auto Thompson replicas for legal sale out there

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They are currently made with a close bolt.

Not the ones I've seen.

Manufacture of open bolt firearms for civilian use has not been permitted since 1982. Are they out there? Yes. Made after 1982? No

If they were legal every gangbanger would own one,

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That is a ridiculous argument but we can have some fun with it. I propose to prove that gang bangers wouldn't own more MGs if they were "legal" (your term) than they own right now since they aren't "legal". Let's just assume that you actually knew that MGs are legal right now in most States and when you said "legal" you meant that they are simply inflated in price due to the Hughes Amendment.

Right now the price of MGs drives out much of the competition for them in the general gun population due to price. Most people who desire them get them despite some snags in the NFA paperwork from time to time. However we can discount that since we assume gangbangers face the same paperwork issues, like CLEO signoff, that normal people do.

Only people with considerable financial resources can afford to buy an M-16 that costs as much as a car. However, gang bangers are not normal people. You see, they make a lot of cash through illegal activities. Witness all their blingin gold, diamond grillz, flashy cars with big spinning wheels, and every other guady item the lucrative profits of the drug trade buy gang bangers. They are swimming in money, it is stashed in the rafters of their crack house. So, given their substancial financial liquidity and the current legality of MGs, the tax stamp and cost of an MG should not be a barrier to purchase.

Since they aren't buying them now, despite the financial ability to do so there is no reason to believe that they would by them if they were "legal" (as you put it) and cost less SINCE money is not an object to gang bangers. There must be another reason why the rich and dangerous gang bangers aren't toting some bullet hoses out to sell their rock on the corner. What could it be?

Oh yeah, I forgot... felons can't own guns legally. What was I thinking?

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You see, they make a lot of cash through illegal activities. Witness all their blingin gold, diamond grillz, flashy cars with big spinning wheels, and every other guady item the lucrative profits of the drug trade buy gang bangers. They are swimming in money, it is stashed in the rafters of their crack house. So, given their substancial financial liquidity and the current legality of MGs, the tax stamp and cost of an MG should not be a barrier to purchase.

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You fail. That "bling" money is "tax free under the table". If they went out and bought $15K+ full autos and had them REGISTERED/TAX STAMPED??? Don't you think the IRS would come a knockin' over such large purchases, especially WITH ATF records? Hint...catch a clue... There's a REASON they buy all that "blingage" crap. THAT's how they choose to spend their money because it's "under the table", yo dawg...fo shizzle...

Most low level gang bangers are actually very poor.

At the upper levels, they may be wealthy, but sometimes the guy selling on the street corner makes less than min wage. Read "Freakonomics".

It's not like they would pass the background check or have the patience or desire to do the paperwork anyway.

Let's start a thread where everyday we email a different government official, all of us email the same official on the same day so they get swamped with our emails about dumping the Hughes amendment of 86 and they'll be scared s**tless that if they don't do something about it they wont get reelected but we are going to need more voices. We will also need a leader for this movement (not ME). We can use the 20k we were going to spend on that Ak74U to "fight the power" and still have enough to buy 2 Ak74U'S and a Mac-10. They should at lest be aware of the facts.

Congress doesn't like to repeal laws as much as they like to make new ones. Therefore the trick is to convince congress to create an exception to the Hughes amendment large enough for everyone to use.

I could see something along the lines of congress passing an anti-piracy law which allows registered ship captains, with appropriate training, to own FA weapons to combat piracy, and then every member of THR running out and getting an OUPV 6-pack. With some horrific headlines about a couple boatloads of Americans being slaughtered on the high seas, a pro-gun congressman could slip something through.

they should be able to at least sell full auto .22lrs like you can buy any other gun. that would be nice. and cheap, and ALOT of fun.

If fullautos were cheap and legal gangbangers would own them and so would I. Gangbangers aquire from straw purchases or theft the same guns that you and I chose for defense. They would fire more rounds when doing a drive by and there would be more collateral casualties.

Most ranges have restrictions on the use of fullauto due to berms being overshot. But I would still like to see the '86 law repealed.

The Hughes Amendment is a reminder that to the prohibitionist mentality, common sense legislation is prohibition.

From 1934 to 1986, practically no crime with legally registered machineguns so they froze the registry to new guns. Duh. the crime problem with machine guns has been MGs stolen from the military or police (Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger), illegally imported guns (Empress Phoenix, Miami coke wars), or illegally manufactured guns (The Order). Freezing the legal registry with the Hughes admendment addressed none of those problems. But it did convince me that the goal of gun control is prohibition.

Too much thread drift...