Are these rounds safe to fire?
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Is it the light or is the one on the left showing the heel of the bullet thru the case?
It's only the light. The dent did not break through the case.
I don't think even the worst Saturday Night Special would do that to a cartridge just by cycling it, although in an autoloader you can often tell by longitudinal scrapes on the rim from the extractor or tiny peen marks underneath from the ejector.
If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say that whatever else happened to these cartridges, they got squished good and hard. Normal 9mm PDX1 rounds do not have bullet bulges like that, let alone the dents and gouges.
I had a similar issue with Olin (Winchester) 9mm JHP's. They sent me a UPS tag and eventually replaced the ammo. I came out slightly ahead on the deal insofar as I got more in the replacement than I purchased.. but it wasn't worth the time or trouble.
Every time I called in, I got the "three weeks" story. When I mentioned that every three weeks I get "it takes 3 weeks" I got a song and dance about how they were short staffed, someone retired, blah blah blah. I finally sent them a letter by fax and got the replacement ammo shortly thereafter.
There's a thread around here on THR someplace.
Good luck.
Every time I called in, I got the "three weeks" story. When I mentioned that every three weeks I get "it takes 3 weeks" I got a song and dance about how they were short staffed, someone retired, blah blah blah. I finally sent them a letter by fax and got the replacement ammo shortly thereafter.
There's a thread around here on THR someplace.
Good luck.
1SOW
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I would contact Win AND include the picture. They won't be proud of that.
If the OALs are ok, they will probably fire fine; but they have been grossly mishandled some way.
If the OALs are ok, they will probably fire fine; but they have been grossly mishandled some way.
Contact winchester, show them the picture and see what they say, you might even get a free box of ammo out of it. Otherwise, try to exchange those rounds, if you state law allows. I know MS law states that there can be no returns/exchanges of ammunition period.
I sure do like Speer Gold Dots by the way.
I sure do like Speer Gold Dots by the way.
Update on Winchesters customer support!
1st letter received acknowledged receipt of my ammo.
2nd letter dated on the August 23, said they entered an order for new ammo.
They did not admit that the ammo was defective, but instead said that the examination concluded that nothing was wrong and pressures were fine.
4 weeks later, I still have not received my replacement ammo.
1st letter received acknowledged receipt of my ammo.
2nd letter dated on the August 23, said they entered an order for new ammo.
They did not admit that the ammo was defective, but instead said that the examination concluded that nothing was wrong and pressures were fine.
4 weeks later, I still have not received my replacement ammo.
Dnaltrop
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Thanks for reminding me to empty my wallet's small bills into the "reloading table" piggy bank.
Soon, I'll only have myself to blame.
Haven't shot any winchester 9mm yet, oddly enough no extraction marks on their .45 colt brass. , but thanks for the good reminder to check my gear at every level.
Soon, I'll only have myself to blame.
Haven't shot any winchester 9mm yet, oddly enough no extraction marks on their .45 colt brass.
, but thanks for the good reminder to check my gear at every level.
Skylerbone
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BG, you can buy a Lee press at MidWay for $25, a set of Lee dies in 9mm for $33 (that's the 4 die premium set), Winchester JHP bullets at $13.50/100 and powder for $20 a pound. I own 2 9mm pistols that have yet to see factory ammo. If you've saved your brass then it's reloadable. Buy the above, a Lee Auto Prime (about $13) and some primers and you're in business for the price of 6 boxes of premium ammo.
You'll have enough supplies for your first 100 rounds and the next 100 will cost you about $17 for the primers and bullets. The savings really start to add up quickly and you get to practice with what you'll be loading for SD. A pound of TiteGroup contains 7,000 grains of powder and a 4.0 grain charge will do nicely for 9mm. That's 1,750 rounds you can load for $20. You'll never wear out the press or dies in your lifetime, if you don't like the powder dipper that comes with the die set then a digital scale will set you back $28.
Reload people! Reload! It's been a great tie in to shooting for me for the past 20+ years and it's saved me enough money to shoot much more than I should. The side benefit, as has been stated before, is that I know what's in every round because I put it there.
Good luck, stay safe and good shooting.
You'll have enough supplies for your first 100 rounds and the next 100 will cost you about $17 for the primers and bullets. The savings really start to add up quickly and you get to practice with what you'll be loading for SD. A pound of TiteGroup contains 7,000 grains of powder and a 4.0 grain charge will do nicely for 9mm. That's 1,750 rounds you can load for $20. You'll never wear out the press or dies in your lifetime, if you don't like the powder dipper that comes with the die set then a digital scale will set you back $28.
Reload people! Reload! It's been a great tie in to shooting for me for the past 20+ years and it's saved me enough money to shoot much more than I should. The side benefit, as has been stated before, is that I know what's in every round because I put it there.
Good luck, stay safe and good shooting.
I used to be to fearful off hurting myself when I thought of reloading. I'm having second thoughts now that I realize I do most of the maintenance on my cars and if I don't do that right then it could get me or my family killed. In that light reloading doesn't seem so dangerous. When I do the maintenance myself I know it's done right. So from that perspective it makes sense.
Skylerbone
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I understand the apprehension, did I do it right? Will I be sued for shooting someone? I promise you this: if the world's biggest scum bag, murderous child molester attacks you with a knife and gun and you shoot and kill him with factory ammo, YOU WILL BE SUED!
Once you've loaded awhile, the fear will subside as round after round performs to your expectations. I buy new brass for my SD ammo and keep that in a separate mag.
In all my years of loading, I have yet to have a failure of any kind. That's .38SPL to 30-06, 700fps to 2900fps and a whole lot in between. A lot of reading, patience and practice is what it takes. It's no less than most responsible gun owners do now.
Again, just a suggestion and not for everyone.
Once you've loaded awhile, the fear will subside as round after round performs to your expectations. I buy new brass for my SD ammo and keep that in a separate mag.
In all my years of loading, I have yet to have a failure of any kind. That's .38SPL to 30-06, 700fps to 2900fps and a whole lot in between. A lot of reading, patience and practice is what it takes. It's no less than most responsible gun owners do now.
Again, just a suggestion and not for everyone.
oasis618
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Those are pretty ugly!
Okay, I can finally put a close to this. I have received my replacement PDX1 ammo. The cases are good, but the bullets and primers are dirty. The Gold-Dots that I just got are clean and flawless looking.
It took almost 5 weeks for Winchester to give me replacement ammo. Do not buy this Winchester PDX1 stuff in quantity, and carefully inspect everything.
It took almost 5 weeks for Winchester to give me replacement ammo. Do not buy this Winchester PDX1 stuff in quantity, and carefully inspect everything.
BamAlmighty
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I had to toss 3 bullets from the last 2 boxes of PDX1s I bought from Walmart. 2 of them had deep gouges through the case and you can see the bullet's tail.
If you buy PDX1s examine every single one before you put them into use.
If you buy PDX1s examine every single one before you put them into use.
This has never happened to me, although I haven't bought any self-defense ammo lately. I wonder what could be going on at Winchester these days...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6735209&postcount=31
...hmmm....
So are all of my PDX1, Ranger Bonded, and Ranger-T cartridges, and I have several boxes of extremely dirty Speer Lawman cartridges, so I guess this happens with other manufacturers, too. But still, one would think that Winchester would make sure that their premium ammo, at least, is reasonably clean. And of course there is no excuse for the damaged cartridges.
I do that with my practice ammo, too. It's a chore, but while I may not have the prettiest hands and face, I'd sure miss them if they were gone.
Full Metal Jacket
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where's the pic?
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