Kel-Tec KSG: Your Thoughts?

As for capacity My 1100 can run with up to 23 rounds with my X-Rail installed.

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The x rail is an interesting product for a serious open class shooter ( or a less serious shooter with the funds) on a dedicated open class shotgun. For an actual fighting gun or defensive weapon it is a notable draw back that one needs to run a 26" barrel to get 23 rounds.

I run a S12 with a magwell, if I am inclined to shoot open class (I'd consider my self far from a serious 3 gunner BTW).

It indeed does seem like a gimmick first off the price tag will likely be in the ar15 range second off if you're using it for personal protection which seems to be it's only use at all 14 rounds seems extremely excessive if you can't get the job done with a Remington 870 with 5+1 of 00 buck then you need to shoot better if you have time to blast off 14 rounds from the robo shotgun then you most certainly have time to run. I wouldn't be so critical of this gun if a reputable bras such as Remington mossberg binelli fn or beretta made it however it is highly unlikely that these brands would brainstorm a shotgun that holds 14
Rounds. Just seems plain silly to me. Spend a lot less cash and buy a mossberg 500 persuader.

Seems interesting, when it actually is on shelves in 2013 ill take a look at it.

Do Want! I think i'll hold off on the coach gun for the time being in favor of saving the coin for one of these. It'll go well with the other bullpups (M17S & DTA-SRS) in the collection (as well as those soon to be added, including but not limited to a KT-RFB, MSAR-MCS, & PS-90).

Am I the only one that'd like to see one built in 20Ga.? It'd be lighter, smaller, easier to handle, and afford better recoil management (and I only have a 12Ga. ATM).

I'll be curious to see if draining one mag versus the other has any effect on handling or balance, especially when swinging the gun

I'm sure that it would, but equally sure that it won't make any discernible difference within the confines of its intended purpose (HD, et al). Doesn't appear to be a good scattergun for trap either way.

I'm interested. Normally I don't get excited about gimicky firearms, and Kel-tec seems chock full of 'em, but I'd like to get my hands on it, if only to test it out. I like bullpups, but so very few are designed for lefties like myself. I would like to see an autoloader version of this as well, and would really be more excited about that than the current pump version. Price is a bit on the high side, so I'll wait a few years before buying one, maybe pick up a used one if they hold up well. But if they do introduce a semi auto version, I'll be in line to get get it.

I don't see how the KSG will be CA legal without some kind of modification to the magazine(s). Any magazine, fixed or otherwise, with a capacity of more than ten rounds, puts you sqaurely in assault weapon territory as defined by this state. Not sure if dowling the mags as with hunting shotguns would satisfy the requirement, and I am fairly certain that it wouldn't fly with DOJ. Could also state magazine capacity based on 3in shells, but I think that would probably get someone in trouble. Keltec may be inclined to produce shortened magazine versions for us CA dwellers, but at any rate, I don't think I'll be planning on owning a KSG in the Golden State as yet.

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I don't see how the KSG will be CA legal without some kind of modification to the magazine(s). Any magazine, fixed or otherwise, with a capacity of more than ten rounds, puts you sqaurely in assault weapon territory as defined by this state.

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I assume that internally are two separate 7 round mags. This is a bit of an untested area of CA law.

This may be a good practical gun (if it works). I'm mainly interested in it because of how short it is, I could do without the dual tube nonsense.

spartan00054 said:

I don't see how the KSG will be CA legal without some kind of modification to the magazine(s). Any magazine, fixed or otherwise, with a capacity of more than ten rounds, puts you sqaurely in assault weapon territory as defined by this state. Not sure if dowling the mags as with hunting shotguns would satisfy the requirement, and I am fairly certain that it wouldn't fly with DOJ. Could also state magazine capacity based on 3in shells, but I think that would probably get someone in trouble. Keltec may be inclined to produce shortened magazine versions for us CA dwellers, but at any rate, I don't think I'll be planning on owning a KSG in the Golden State as yet.

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I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the 10 round magazine limit doesn't apply to pump action weapons. It's one reason they made the pump action AR style weapons.

On an unrelated note; looking at this thing has got me to wondering if they would ever produce this in a pistol caliber version. Offering it as a "tactical" .357 or .44 pump would put a new kink in the pistol carbine market.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the 10 round magazine limit doesn't apply to pump action weapons. It's one reason they made the pump action AR style weapons.

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You are indeed incorrect. Pump action AR-15s avoid the "semi-automatic, centerfire, pistol grip protrudes conspicuosly beneath the action and accepts detachable magazine" definition of assault weapons out here. By making it pump action, you can have the pistol grip and detachable magazine, but you are still limited to a maximum ten round magazine. I've also seen AKs done up this way. HIDEOUS!

I assume that internally are two separate 7 round mags. This is a bit of an untested area of CA law.

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Yes, it's an untested part of the law, but I think that the DOJ would define the twin 7 round magazines as a single "ammunition feeding device" and refuse to allow it out of hand.

All of this having been said, I love for it to go the other way, because the KSG sounds like a weapon and I'd be more than happy to make room in my budget and my safe for an example thereof.

Being that it's a Kel-Tec, it probably won't be in full production until 2018..........

When it hits the market I will own onw.

Couldn't they sell it in CA if they permanently plugged both tubes to only hold 5 each?

Couldn't they sell it in CA if they permanently plugged both tubes to only hold 5 each?

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Yes, yes they could. I just fear that what with Keltec's, ah, lengthy production cycle, asking for a CA-only version might be too much to ask. Which would be a shame, because I know at least a dozen of my friends who would eat beer and ramen for months just to be able to afford an evil-looking tactical shotgun with which to troll the antis out here.

jon86 said:

I'm not excited.

1. The price tag. What can this do that a similarly priced carbine can't do? Part of the advantage of a shotgun is the price tag that is usually lower than most carbines. I'd rather have a carbine or rifle and be able to make accurate shots out further.
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I think also I simply don't feel handicapped or unarmed with 5+1 rounds of 12 gauge 00 or slugs.

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For one, knock someone out of their boots? Maybe breach some doors? There's a lot of things this shotgun can do that a similarly priced carbine can't do as well.

And as far as the ammo capacity... more is always better.

I think Kel Tec has a winner!

The compact size is a real plus for HD; that's pretty obviously their target market.

Yes it has a limited range of applications - and therefore is optimized for that application!

I agree with others, that the price is a bit steep (now), and it needs a 'shakedown' in the hands of customers, to reveal & eliminate any bugs, but I intend to have one when the time is right!

I saw this video and not sure what to make of it.

http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-ksg-shotgun-video/

If the trigger could be held down, wouldn't that make it a "Slamfire" and I'm pretty sure most pumps are not slamfires.

jwalker497 said:

I saw this video and not sure what to make of it.

http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-ksg-shotgun-video/

If the trigger could be held down, wouldn't that make it a "Slamfire" and I'm pretty sure most pumps are not slamfires.

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I think you need to do more reading.

Kel-Tec is offering two versions: A civilian version that suffers trigger lock when the trigger is held down while operating the action.
A "LEO Only" version that slamfires when the trigger is held down.

The subject of the video (and the specimen seen at the SHOT show) is the "civilian version".

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Couldn't they sell it in CA if they permanently plugged both tubes to only hold 5 each?

Yes, yes they could. I just fear that what with Keltec's, ah, lengthy production cycle, asking for a CA-only version might be too much to ask. Which would be a shame, because I know at least a dozen of my friends who would eat beer and ramen for months just to be able to afford an evil-looking tactical shotgun with which to troll the antis out here.

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It has 2 mags, at 7 rounds each. It's allready CA legal. It's just like mounting two 10 round box mags together. After one goes dry, you have to push a button before shooting the next mag.

If the trigger could be held down, wouldn't that make it a "Slamfire" and I'm pretty sure most pumps are not slamfires.

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First it makes the shotgun inoperable until the next shotshell chambered (rather than the condition aforementioned), secondly there are pumps that operate in the way you describe (which is to say: having no trigger disconnector), the first that comes to mind is the Winchester M-12. Depress the trigger and fire as fast as you can cycle the action (akin to a FA fire control group in a manually operated repeater). Additionally, in such designs there is (typically) a mechanism that only allows the firearm to discharge when the breach is in the locked position (like an automatic weapon that is fired from an open bolt; e.g. the SAW), so it is not technically a "slamfire".

Personally I would greatly prefer the LEO variant if made available to the general public (as is common for "LE-Only models"), for this reason.

I don't know it's going to take to get one of these, but come hell or high water I'm getting one. However, has anyone seen a dis-assembly video or demonstration of these things? Because that no matter how awesome the design I don't want a huge headache with maintaining and repairing me scattergun.

Looks interesting. Definitely a unique and innovative design. Will keep my eye on it to hear initial reports on performance and reliability.
Practical for more than HD and/or a range toy? Probably not.
Worth over $900?
Most likely not, sorry.