MSNBC/NBC News hurting cause

I read the same article, I doubt emails will make a difference. The brush MSNBC paints with is lies.

NBC will soon be acquired by Comcast and Comcast management is conservative, not liberal. The recent termination of MSNBCs Kieth Oberman's contract might hint that the liberal focus of this network may be slated for change. MSNBCs ratings are very poor - so this helps motive constructive change.

Most of the recent rants by hosts of programing of this station center around promoting more gun controls and slanting positions of the NRA.

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Crying wolf or trying to set off another round of panic buying.

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Indeed, you posted this in Activism. Please share with us the people you have contacted with your rebuttal and maybe assist those of us with busy schedules by providing contact information for those you feel would be good for us to contact.

The moderators here do a pretty good job but members of the forums need to get their mindsets more on Action, less on complaining to each other.

What have you done?

Who commits crimes with a registered gun.... What if the criminal does shoot a innocent person (god forbid) they aren't going to use something they legally bought and can be used to trace back to them (unless they're idiots). It'd make more sense if the news talked more about stolen firearms being used. Rather than make people who work hard and buy they're legit guns for recreational purposes.

Okay so email the journalist and ask him to attribute all the information in this article, and if he cant, email the editor, or whoever higher ranking than he is that has to OKAY his work, and tell them his information is bogus and he is unethical in his news writing.

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Black Toe Knives said:

You missed the point of what was said in article. The author used the AK47 instead of SKS. It is all fact other that the nomenclature of the gun. The OP pulled parts out context of the article to incite us as Gun owners to attack MSNBC for making up this God awful lie.
Folks, the article in context is right, the nomenclature of weapon is wrong. Your argument against the article is based on some lowly paid proofreader that doesn't know the difference between a AK47 and SKS.

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Black Toe Knives, I've got to ask...what the heck are you talking about?!?!?!? Do YOU know the difference? If so, why do you believe the author mistakenly refrred to Ak's as SKS's? There is nothing to support that assertion in any way...the photos were of AK's, the article referenced AK's, so why do YOU believe in reality it was the SKS being discussed? What does the SKS have to do with this conversation in any way? The article concerned sales of smei-auto AK-47s, suich as those pictured. What does the SKS have to do with any part of this conversation? An SKS is not a semi-auto Ak, which is what you seem to be implying? If thats not the point you were trying to make, would you please clarify as to your ACTUAL meaning? I'm confused to say the least as to what the SKS has to do with anything in this article, other than it firing the same round as the firearms actually being discussed.... and yes, I DO suggest writing your congressman if an actual ban on Ak's is proposed....just because you may not have a desire to own a semi-auto AK doesn't mean others of us feel the same way....

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Black Toe Knives said:

Excuse me?
All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain approval from the ATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4.[6] Many times law enforcement officers will not sign the NFA documents. There have been several unfavorable lawsuits where plaintiffs have been denied NFA approval for a transfer. These lawsuit include; Lomont v O'Neil 2002 9th circuit, Westfall v Miller 1996 5th circuit, and Steele v National Firearms Branch 1985 11th circuit. In response Tennessee and Alaska have passed state laws which require the CLEO to execute the NFA documents. On October 28, 2010 in respose to a writ of mandamus a Tennessee Williamson County Chancellor Robbie Beal found that the sheriff or cleo is not required to execute NFA documents according to Tenn. Code Ann. 39-17-1361.

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Again, what on earth are you getting at? What does the straw sales of semi-auto AK-47 rifles have to do with the NFA, OR even SKS's?? You aren't making any sense, and instead of clarifying your position, you've simply muddied the waters further. Nothing you have posted is relavent to the orignal article, and the SKS has nothing whatsoever to do with this case in any way whatsoever. What are you TRYING to say here? Your point is obviously being missed, if there is one......what you are saying in the above quote does make sense, but is not in any way whatssoever applicable to this case

Comcast is coming.
Just ask Keith.

AFS

I always thought an AK47 was fully automatic weapon and the sks was it civilian counterpart. That is my bad

MSNBC is also misinformed. We both know what you could buy anything pre-AWB if you had the cash and if you could find it. But most dealers didn't even bother carrying any Pre ban stuff. I wouldn't have if I was a dealer. My dealer took his pre AWB ARs apart when he took pre ban ARs in and sold the parts separate.

Yes MSNBC is guilt of not being misinformed about what was available during the AWB. MSNBC has also stated time after time that you could not buy high capacity magazines during AWB.

But in reality you would not have been able to purchase those AKs during AWB. Not many dealers had them. There is no way they would have found more than a couple and no way in hell you could have bought 147 that was not AWB modified.

BTW I always thought AKs were junk. So they never really peaked any interest in me.

You're right....those SPECIFIC AK's wouldn't have been available....but a gun shooting the same ammo, accepting the same mags, etc would have been......the gun may have had a thumbhole stock, or lacked a bayonette lug or threaded barrel, but it would shoot just like the AKs that came before and after them. ...the AWB basically covered comestic features, and very little that actually affected the functionality of the firearm to any degree. It may have reduced drive by bayonettings, but that's about it.....it was shown to have NO measurable effect on the crime rate while the ban was in effect.

As for shops not carrying anything "preban".....WTH? ....most shops loved having an inventory of guns that were suddenly "no longer available" because the AWB immediately turned a $5 30 round mag into a $50 30 round mag in some cases, and a $150 AK into a $600 one.....the ban artificially inflated the price of "preban" guns allowing those with them in their possession before the ban to make a tidy profit once it was enacted. it would make ZERO sense to dismantle these guns for parts when they were worth MUCH more intact than they were before the 1994 AWB took effect. Imagine Mercedes could no longer import cars to the US....would it make more sense for a dealer to hang onto one, knowing that another would be impossible to obtain for the price he paid previously and that its value would only increase, or to hack it into parts and sell it that way, a bit at a time, possibly for no profit whatsoever? the idea that the AWB made dealers not want to carry "assault weapons" is laughable considering the demand for such weapons and the profit that could be made on them due to that demand

What happend to Chris Mathews of MSNBC? This liberal, who would like to grab your guns, seems to be loosing clout at the activist network. I expected him to be given Keith Oberman's time slot when he was shown the door but, instead, he is now a minor player in last nights coverage of the state of the union.

I suspect he will be pushed out soon - probably a result of extra low TV ratings.

I beleive Roberts from Comcast will transform the station into a FOX clone. ....Oh Happy Day!

@rajb132: Please tell us how Comcast management is conservative.

NBC will soon be acquired by Comcast and Comcast management is conservative, not liberal.

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HUH???

The CEO supported Obama "Care" and testified in front of the Virginia Congress to prevent employees from keeping guns in cars parked on company property.

As far as I can tell, the CEO is willing to do anything to get his way.

I posted the following to their Corrections area:

Just wanted to correct an error regarding the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 in the following article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41257218/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

The law did not, in fact, ban the manufacture, importation, sale, purchase, or possession of civilian AK-47 type rifles. I myself own a 2002 model AK, a Romanian SAR-1; many more civilian AK's were imported and sold 1994-2004 than prior to 1994.

The 1994 law merely prohibited new civilian rifles from having more than one of a list of controlled features (protruding handgrip, adjustable or folding stock, muzzle threads, flash suppressor), and prohibited newly manufactured rifles from being marketed under any of 19 mostly irrelevant names.

Importation and/or sale of 30-round magazines was legal as long as the magazine was manufactured and stockpiled before 9/1994; capacity, price, and availability of 30-round AK magazines were unaffected by the law.

The differences between a pre-1994 "AK-47" and a ban-era 2002 model may be found here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1132600920/gallery_260_23_74799.jpg

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/benEzra/105

Thank you for your time, and have a good day.

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I'm not sure if they care if what they write is true or not, but many journalists still do think facts matter. If they do, the information is there.

NBC is majority owned by General Electric, which is not exactly a bastion of liberalism. Comcast has already said it won't interfere with NBC's news operation.

I don't think MSNBC viewers are in our camp or on the fence about guns. Probably not as bad as we think. Hopefully

I am a gun owner, I do not support gun control, and I watch MSNBC.