Taurus 24/7 Pro Semi Auto 9mm

There are a lot of threads on this site about the 24/7 Pro. I have a 24/7 Pro DS in 40S&W I have never had a FTF or a FTE .I think for the money you cant buy a better Striker fired pistol.

If you do a search, there are plenty of threads full of opinions and info.

I didn't like mine in .40 so I sold it.

Most owners love their 24/7s.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=29200.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6667.0

I can bring 40 pages of links forward if needed of the owners who own,shoot, and use the 24/7 for fun and for protection ( that includes CCW) if need be.

Here's the 24/7 scoop from here.

Actual experience counts. Those who have not handled them,shot them, or owned them can make any vailid comments.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=571123
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559992
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=502885

In the links above there are other links that are in my posts.

Please read them.

Well I have owned one, shot a couple thousand rounds through it, and didn't like it. The trigger is retarded, it is very lube sensitive (if it wasn't well lubed, it felt really sluggish and jammed), and I didn't like the location of the safety.

I have one in a compact 45 acp and have nothing to complain about. It went bang the first time and has kept that up so far without a hickup.
I have been feeding it a rather radical semi wad cutter and it handels them with total reliability. Accuracy is not target grade, but who would expect it to be? I would not hesitate to buy another.

We have 4 of them, and they all run great - no complaints!

my wife owns one and loves it (24/7 pro ds 9mm). i shot it at the range until she put pink grips on it...

the big thing i have found it they really need to be cleaned well from the factory - they must have cosmoline cheap in brazil. once youve cleaned it - clean it again.. i think that that is a reason some people complain of FTF issues. so the first 3 shots it wasnt cycling right so we cleaned ti some more and didnt have any issues since then. probably 500+ rounds of $10/50 rounds ammo from walmart and no issues.

when i asked the gunsmith at the range/LGS about them - he said that anyone who has had an issue - did not have any problems once it was shipped/fixed by taurus...

i am happy with the purchase - and have seen where jet guns has them for $269 shipped and buds is about 297. they come with 2 magazines too - which is a bonus compared to some other guns - especially in that price range.

one more thing - taurus offers a free NRA membership with any gun purchase in 2011 - just go to their website for the form

While I detest Taurus firearms, I must say that I once owned a 24/7 Pro. It actually is a pretty good gun that served me well.

I have owned 5 Taurus guns and 4 of them were complete lemons. I have no reasonable explanation why I sold the 24/7. It was the first Taurus I bought and the next four were total junk.

I have a 24/7 Pro 9mm. It's one of the most comfortable handguns I've ever shot, and with well over 1000 rounds fired it has been reliable.

However... I did have a problem. After about 1000 rounds, it started to double. Sent it back to Taurus and they replaced the fire control parts. After the repair, the trigger isn't as smooth.

Later I had a similar problem with the only other Taurus gun I've owned, a 1911. After many hundreds of fired rounds it started dropping to half-cock, probably due to insufficient hammer/sear engagement. I fixed it myself using C&S "drop-in" (they aren't) parts. I often wonder if Taurus' internal MIM parts are as hard as they should be.

I really want to like the gun, it's relatively small for a "full-size" pistol and it fits me better than most guns, since I have small hands. But I don't think I'd buy another Taurus. I'm not confident in the durability of the fire control parts. Another thing to keep in mind, you can't buy parts for these; if they break, you have to send them back to the manufacturer for repair. The lifetime warranty is nice (necessary IMO) but shipping handguns is not cheap.

i got a 24-7 in 9mm a few weeks ago and put 200 rounds of FMJ and 100 of hollow point ammo on my last range trip, they all went bang without a problem, i even mix them to check if i could gtet a FTF but nothing, now i trust it with my life, i carry a g19, but i feel very confortable with the 24-7 as well. the thing is, you need to test your weapons, if it work right the first time, and continue working (if you take care of it of course) then you got a winner.

I had a 24/7 pro that i got for 300 bucks plus 3 mags. great for what it cost. put over a 1000 rounds through it without a hiccup. that being said, the trigger was rubbish, espeecially compared to my glock 17 that i upgraded to. However, again for the price, you cant beat it.

Mine functioned 100% but was very innacurate.

Well I have owned one, shot a couple thousand rounds through it, and didn't like it. The trigger is retarded, it is very lube sensitive (if it wasn't well lubed, it felt really sluggish and jammed), and I didn't like the location of the safety.

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If you didn't like something as basic to the design as the safety, why did you buy it in the first place?

What makes a trigger "retarded"?

The ammunition, temperature, and type of lube are much more responsible for sluggish action than the design.

Oh,yes.

It can take getting used to the SA/DA trigger pull. It takes time,much practice with goals set and dedication as previously stated.

Most of the inaccurate problems are self inflicted than the guns fault. Not all are, but a majority of them have to do with it.

For example:
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=46338.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=44327.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=46690.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=45393.0

Form another thread:
These compact pistols are a finicky lot and no two examples of the same kind shoot or behave exactly alike.

Glad to hear that it was an ammo problem. Since there are so many factors to consider that's why the in-deep analysis even if it wasn't the operator.

No way to totally know since we are not there to observe whats going on.

What's written below is taken from a PT145 thread, but this can be true for any compact/subcompact gun, caliber, and the ammo.

Smaller guns are more finicky about ammo types than their bigger full size brethren.

Example: Para Ordnance Warthog comes to mind. When it first came out there were a lot of reliability problems and Para could not give them away. Most went into storage.All of this was because of reliability problems having to do with bullet shape,weight, and the fact that hardball of certain types were all that would feed through it. Fast forward almost a decade and the Warthog was reintroduced though it wasn't marketed that way.

Whether these pistols were reworked or not I am not sure of. They are back out and heavily marketed.Reliability does not seem to be the issue anymore.

Being bulky through the grips didn't help sell the pistol.Double stack .45ACP don't you know. Trying to get a solid grip and carrying the pistol CCW were also strikes against an otherwise decent design.

Mass Ayoob,Chuck Karwan, and Clint Smith have documented the troubles of getting small ,compact, or sub compact.45ACP pistols to work well under most conditions.

Engineering the pistols to work has and have been major problems. Physics is one of the main problems. Whether it's the slide mass, recoil springs,firing pins weight and mass,feed ramp angle,or other factors there is only so much that can be done.

Colt ran into troubles with the Officers ACP 1911 for a lot of the same reasons stated above.Took a few years to work the bugs out and make it a reliable pistol. Gunsmiths made a fortune having to tweak compact 1911's and traditional DA/SA semi autos.

So while things have improved somewhat over the years there are still problems finding the right balance for proper fit and function. And there are a few trade offs for going with smaller guns. Parameters for these just are not that forgiving.

The one compact .45ACP pistol that seemed to work with just about any bullet type or shape was ironically the Star PD.

So expect to have to put some effort and experimentation into reliable loads for these smaller pistols regardless of caliber if they are a major one for self defense.

No mistake. It's because of these very things that this develops in these and other pistols. Balancing the parts and types of springs, this includes the strength of those springs, are part of the engineering problems.

I need to clarify this better. What was being said was that there are a lot of factors that go into this and there are compromises on just how and what can be put into a pistol design.

There are trade offs and no free lunch anywhere along the line with this.

With lead free or practically lead free primers being mandated on quite a few types of ammo, trying to find a happy medium and a spring strong enough to get the firing pin to set off these primers is a real chore.

Reduced size guns means that the spring power is going to have to be compromised somewhere along the line. The smaller the pistol the harder it is to come up with parts that can do what full size parts can do.

Sometimes primers are too hard, too soft,or the lead free primers will not give consistent performance.

While the lead free stuff is getting better there is still much room for consistent performance to be established.

This was the intent of the post. Trying to cover all the physics and engineering aspects in one post without trying to get long winded.

When making compact pistols there are a lot of obstacles to overcome. All that can be done for most of these is compromises with some shortcomings we all may need to learn to live with.

Could be why I am a revolver person for the most part. Things are a bit more simpler with the revolvers all the way around despite the sizes. This is subjective and an opinion, but what has been observed. Smiley

Below are some related items that others may want to consider. Some of this is already known by most, but can get overlooked or forgotten easily. It happens to all of us at sometime.

First of all the dead on is correct as is. The target is supposed to be fuzzy and the sights clear just like the pictures show. Or should. If you sight properly then the bullets will impact where they are supposed to without seeing the tiny bulls eye. That's the way it works and always has.
If a shooter does what is shown in the pictures properly then they will hit properly using either type of shooting.

For some 6 o'clock works well, but this is not normally technique used for a defense handgun. Expecting very tiny little groups to be in a target with pistols and revolvers that are not target grade is ludicrous at best.
Dead on is normally taught for defense weapons.

One does shoot the best they can, but expecting one ragged hole or target quality is again not consistent with reality. Guns that are target grade normally have ammo and firearms designed for more consistent hitting the same spot in very tight little groups. There are exceptions.

Engineering is more precise ballistically for the ammo and the fit and function of the target pieces used to do this with. Tolerances are tight all across the board.The amount of research and development that goes into target grade guns is a lot more effort than what goes into defense pistols or revolvers.

For defense accuracy is needed as well. However the precision with which shots can be placed is not on par realistically with target grade guns. Otherwise target grade guns are all one could or would buy. Expense would put this out of a majority of civilians reach.

Not under adrenaline dump,extreme stress and duress, fine motor skill loss, heart pounding, fight or flight situations is one going to realistically calmly shoot the human target/s as if on picnic and out for relaxation.

Special units use target grade pistols and revolvers because of the need to be more precise with their shots than civilians. They are trained to a high degree most civilians will never match or be able to for expense or reasons of time. The special unit operators learn to do this under stress, shoot amounts of ammo at prodigious rates, train incessantly,and have budgets to allow for this. Civilians normally don't have access to this sort of thing.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2418.0

The above link deals with some of the vagaries that go into shooting defense sidearms.

Expense,harsh operating conditions, harsh environments, reliable fit and function,as well as humans being bigger targets, mean that gun makers have to compromise and reach a level of ability for the gun to deliver what is normally accepted "combat accuracy" at reasonable combat ranges for sidearms. Gun makers have done that.


POI will very if a 6 o'clock hold is used vs. a dead on sight picture.Depends on how you zero the gun or shoot it as well.
Target shooters are well served by the 6 o'clock hold. Defense shooters are not.
Most shooting instructors or schools use the dead on for defense teaching. Not written in stone.

There are many factors and vagaries that have been gone over again and again where shooters were having troubles.

Could be the culmination of a number of things and we staff and members are not there to see each person on a case by case basis shoot. Nor the conditions, nor do we see the stance ,grip,or trigger follow through. wish we could, but realistically can't.

So we advise the best we can covering practically ALL the factors we can.Whether operator error or inexperience,real gun troubles, intangibles we cannot know about, or a combination of any of the above described factors,we can only surmise what is going on.

Even bullet weight, kind of ammo,brand of ammo, or even what batch are factors that come into play here.

Then there is the fact the fixed sighted guns,especially compact or sub-compacts, are hard to regulate the sight on. Doesn't matter what brand,make ,or model by any company, this is true for all of them. Many of the factors in the link come into play here.So do others too numerous to mention.

With all that said, the companies do the best they can with what they have.

Fixed sighted guns are going to shoot high,low,left right. Even the sights on alike samples will not have the same POI. These are massed produced non-target guns at price rates the regular buying public can afford. Some more expensive than others. High price is not and indicator of quality. Many like to think so but I digress.
Ever since firearms were invented fixed sights rarely hit perfectly to point of aim. Too many factors and vagaries enter in.

If one has a fixed sighted gun one has to take the time to experiment to find the best combo of ammo for fit,function,reliability, and for accuracy. POI does figure in, but is not the most important factor. Other wise hardball or target ammo of any shape would do.

One gets to the nearest POI that is as close to dead center as possible, but for many reasons already stated that may not be realistic. One will have to learn where to put the sights for dead center hits and then learn to live with that.

Experimenting with the factors described above takes time,dedication and experience. Each trip to the range need to have a goal other than just putting ammo downrange or shooting tight groups. There are a lot of factors in defense shooting that need to be addressed and kept up with to be proficient.

All this is covered somewhere within the forums here and gets discussed time and time again.

So yes, it is possible the guns shoot low.It is also operator usage and the many factors in HOW they go about shooting that come into play. This as well as the factors of the gun,ammo,and environment. Even humidity,cold, and heat play into this.

There are a plethora of new shooters here at this forum. New even to the type of guns or gun they shoot. Have to learn the vagaries and performance abilities of gun ammo, and the person. This holds true for even those who shoot regularly and have experience with most or all types of firearms. Even the old vet shooters have things to learn and find out. We never stop learning nor gaining experience.

So coming in here and picking on the example pictures when there are so many factors seems silly to a degree. There may be better pictures and examples describing this. There might not be too.

Shooting low can be the gun... and it can be the shooter.. or the ammo, or other factors. Combinations of factors also as has been seen.

Same goes for shooting too high,low, or somewhere in between.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2872.msg21251#msg21251

Drummin_man62 had the right idea for those of us who are having sight issues and it is the user for the most part. Even us so called shooting vets can have an off day or develop bad habits. Hard to unlearn, too. Cheesy

There are a lot of things to consider.

Mentoring by another qualified individual who can use constructive criticism is a good way to help get to proficiency. Then staying at that level of proficiency is another thing. Smiley

Sights can be changed if need be and replaced by others. Then there are those of us who make due and make minor corrections with our fixed sights to hit the center.

Did this with revolvers and learned where,even at long range (100-200 yards) where to hold to get dead center hits with certain specimens of handgun. Not all, just a few.
This with fixed sights.

It is realistic to expect to hit the general target as well as we can. Perfection and total precision will not happen for the most part with combat handguns. Some can get to that level. Some combat handguns are that precise, but are the exception rather than the rule. They will not necessarily be the majority.

If you see the target clearly the sight very well may be too fuzzy for good work. Even if you can't see the tiny bulls-eye, the bullets will hit the mark.

This also depends on range and realistic targets for realistic work for that particular gun.

Members and staff try to provide adequate info and advice. I think they do that at a very competent level.
Figured this all needed to be said or covered.

There are exceptions to this. For example, there are some of us who have regular revolvers or pistols that shoot groups that are up there with target grade quality sidearms. Cherish those dearly if you have pistols or revolvers that can one hole for many shots it or shoot ragged little groups at medium to long range.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6716.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=33908.0
http://www.tauruarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=36589.msg426738#msg426738

http://www.tauruarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22245.0

The above have links within the links to go through. These discuss and cover most, if not all, the factors in shooting a gun proficiently.

A lot of us overlook the basics or one thing that can have the bullet impact nowhere near where we think they should go.

There are many links that can be brought forth showing the owners of 24/7s shooting out the center of the target X ring once they get used to the gun.

Sometimes it doesn't take much and sometimes it takes more practice. Even metor giving feedback and creative criticism can be of immense help. This corrects things quickly. Usually.

Sometimes it takes a lot of practice. More so than for some other people.

However... I did have a problem. After about 1000 rounds, it started to double. Sent it back to Taurus and they replaced the fire control parts. After the repair, the trigger isn't as smooth.

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I forgot about this. Mine did this a couple of times near the end of when I was shooting it. I sold it soon after the first instance.

If you didn't like something as basic to the design as the safety, why did you buy it in the first place?

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Because I was young and inexperienced and the guy behind the counter was a good salesman. As I shot more and my skills developed, I realized that the location of the safety was not something I like. If I am going to have a TS at all, the only kind I like is 1911 style.

What makes a trigger "retarded"?

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The mile of dead take up at the beginning for one. Once you finished getting through all that slack it was gritty and heavy with no reset to speak of.

The ammunition, temperature, and type of lube are much more responsible for sluggish action than the design.

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Considering that pistol was at least lubed, although not with the best stuff around, and it was never shot in any extremes, I don't think it is too much to ask for it to not act sluggish. Especially when my M&P9 has over 2000rds through it without EVER being lubed or cleaned while being shot in sub-zero snowstorms to high eighties sunny days and it doesn't act sluggish at all and has never malfunctioned.

I think you could do worse than a 24/7 (think pretty much any other Taurus, a Hi-Point, a low end 1911, or an EAA Witness), there are many far better options out there.

Thank you.

I will say, though, that the location of the safety is a matter of opinion, which in no way is a design problem.

The trigger take up is a matter of the DA/SA function.

Being "at least" lubed indicates a problem to me. Did you ever clean out the preservative it ships with? Coming from the tropics, these guns are shipped with a metal preservative that is oily, but not a decent preservative.

I will say that it had over a thousand rounds through it, so it can't have been too sluggish.

Good luck with the M&P, it sounds like you've found a match to your wishes.

The pistol did not develop the sluggish nature of the action until late in my ownership and I did clean it very well several times. It was fairly reliable before the 1000rd mark which is about when the sluggishness came about along with the doubles. It had one stoppage.

I will admit that the pistol was mostly reliable and the safety and trigger are simply preference issues but I didn't trust the pistol because of the few issues it had.