Crowd Mistakes Umbrella for Rifle - Panic Ensues
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Webbj0219
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Saw a sig-line some time back. Went something like "The fear of weapons is a sign of sexual imaturity". Not sure if thats exact, but that was the gist of it. Hearing about this in the news brought that quote to mind for me. Been thinking about it all week. Are these ppl in MA sexually imature and what does that even mean?? Talked over with my fiance. She's a senior now for psych at West Georgia. The best we can come up with is that its probably refering to insecurity in your sex. Like being insecure in your manhood.
What a weapon represents is strength. A gun can be a symbol of power. So maybe the fear of guns = the fear of power. Or in this mall ninja case, the fear of someone besdies the police weilding this power. Strength in the wrongs hands is scary to ppl. But then again who are we to decide this? Idk got into some deep thinking over this. So a little tired and confused.
Kinda makes sense for men. Men who own guns shows that they arent affraid of their own strength. Woman are usually more complex. So Ill stick to men with this.
A guy I work with used to quote that line from a christmas movie " youll shoot your eye out kid" so we started calling him red ryder. He said he always wanted a bb gun growing up, but wasnt allowed to. So I said whats stopping you now? He said theyr too dangerous. (He is from Mass by the way). Is this what sexually imature means? Maybe he isnt confident that he can handle it, doesnt feel like a man yet. Maybe the fear of weapons is just a symptom of something else going on with his identity. Well thats my rant about this psycho bable.
What a weapon represents is strength. A gun can be a symbol of power. So maybe the fear of guns = the fear of power. Or in this mall ninja case, the fear of someone besdies the police weilding this power. Strength in the wrongs hands is scary to ppl. But then again who are we to decide this? Idk got into some deep thinking over this. So a little tired and confused.
Kinda makes sense for men. Men who own guns shows that they arent affraid of their own strength. Woman are usually more complex. So Ill stick to men with this.
A guy I work with used to quote that line from a christmas movie " youll shoot your eye out kid" so we started calling him red ryder. He said he always wanted a bb gun growing up, but wasnt allowed to. So I said whats stopping you now? He said theyr too dangerous. (He is from Mass by the way). Is this what sexually imature means? Maybe he isnt confident that he can handle it, doesnt feel like a man yet. Maybe the fear of weapons is just a symptom of something else going on with his identity. Well thats my rant about this psycho bable.
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Webbj0219 wrote:
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A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership.
Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc.
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Misattributed
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership.
Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc.
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Webbj0219
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so its actually Don B, kates, Jr summerizing Fread's argument, But not an actual qoute from that argument? So Freud's quote was more
Bummer it doesnt really explain it more in depth. Well Thanx sv51. got my curiousity going again. Will have to do some more research. But not tonight its getting late.
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Bummer it doesnt really explain it more in depth. Well Thanx sv51. got my curiousity going again. Will have to do some more research. But not tonight its getting late.
azmjs
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I have a Swaine Adeney Brigg umbrella that makes a formidable weapon. I carried it around China for about two years, and the neither the GongAn nor the WuJing were ever called in to apprehend an armed barbarian.
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Hillarious!
Of course you know that this is all projection. You are really saying that you want to kill everybody else.
UpTheHill
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I used to live in Mass, and used to shoot at the civilian club at Ft Devons.
one day i was playing hooky from work shooting at one of the rifle ranges at Devons, and my cell phone rings, I answered, and while talking on the phone, the other people kept shooting in the background.
After about a minute the person I was talking to on the phone asked where I was... I told him I was outside a bank in Boston
one day i was playing hooky from work shooting at one of the rifle ranges at Devons, and my cell phone rings, I answered, and while talking on the phone, the other people kept shooting in the background.
After about a minute the person I was talking to on the phone asked where I was... I told him I was outside a bank in Boston
blackspyder
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Sad thing is the same thing happened in VA a month earlier...
http://www.wset.com/story/14258195/suspected-mall-gunman-had-umbrella
http://www.wset.com/story/14258195/suspected-mall-gunman-had-umbrella
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The Freud "fear and loathing" quote is like the Yamamoto quote about Pearl Harbor usually given in some form of:
It is a paraphrase that has over time got put in quotes and attributed to the source.
However "Fear and loathing of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" is not a paraphrase of Freud from Kates.
Kates' article is available at http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_katesreal.html
GUNS, MURDERS, AND THE CONSTITUTION, A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control, By Don B. Kates, Jr., discusses the "Penis theory" of gun control or "The idea of gun ownership as sexual aberration has been casually espoused by such anti-gun luminaries as Arthur Schlessinger Jr., Harlan Ellison, Mike Royko, and Joyce Brothers."
Freud more than once associated fear and loathing of symbolic weapons with the sexual phobias and anxieties of neurotic people.
The example cited in footnote 49: "Dreams in Folklore", by Sigmund Freud and D.E. Oppenheim, International Universities Press, Inc, New York, 1958.
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?seq=11&view=image&size=100&id=mdp.39015002166091&u=1&num=33
In reference to interpretation of a dream in which a woman was trying to draw a dagger and woke up to find herself pulling on her husband, Freud and Oppenheim wrote at page 33:
"The representation of the penis as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger etc., is familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in particular and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic people."
what does that even mean
It implies that anti-gunners who use the "penis theory" are projectionists. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_(psychology))
compared to the actual 1942 quote:
It is a paraphrase that has over time got put in quotes and attributed to the source.
However "Fear and loathing of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" is not a paraphrase of Freud from Kates.
Kates' article is available at http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_katesreal.html
GUNS, MURDERS, AND THE CONSTITUTION, A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control, By Don B. Kates, Jr., discusses the "Penis theory" of gun control or "The idea of gun ownership as sexual aberration has been casually espoused by such anti-gun luminaries as Arthur Schlessinger Jr., Harlan Ellison, Mike Royko, and Joyce Brothers."
Freud more than once associated fear and loathing of symbolic weapons with the sexual phobias and anxieties of neurotic people.
The example cited in footnote 49: "Dreams in Folklore", by Sigmund Freud and D.E. Oppenheim, International Universities Press, Inc, New York, 1958.
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?seq=11&view=image&size=100&id=mdp.39015002166091&u=1&num=33
In reference to interpretation of a dream in which a woman was trying to draw a dagger and woke up to find herself pulling on her husband, Freud and Oppenheim wrote at page 33:
"The representation of the penis as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger etc., is familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in particular and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic people."
what does that even mean
It implies that anti-gunners who use the "penis theory" are projectionists. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_(psychology))
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