sixgunner455
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doesn't a squirt of wd-40 kill them?
The power of primers
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Deprime it and "discard in accordance with local regulations"
JohnM
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What sort of local regulation do you have that deals with a primer?
FROGO207
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Well when I was around 5 years old I took an old .22 bullet apart. Being like my grandfather and liking a boom caused me to experiment. I "borrowed" my grandfathers old Zippo and lit the small pile of propellant on fire. What no bang?? Then tried to heat the primed case up. Kept burning my fingers on the hot brass.:banghead: So I got a set of long nosed pliers and held the brass, thankfully pointed away from me, and heated it up. I got my bang and the brass flew off the pliers and buried itself in the ceiling above my head.
Was my mother ever mad at me. Gramps thought it was funny and said to just do it outside next time
Was my mother ever mad at me. Gramps thought it was funny and said to just do it outside next timeMarlin 45 carbine
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I can definitely 'ditto' the post about black powder caps. I've shot bp revolvers for some years. quite fond of them. night fotos will reveal a large 'flash' around the cap when struck by the hammer. I've been pepered a few times with pieces of blown cap.
I've figured myself that the most likely cause of 'flash-overs' on revolvers is poorly or inadequately seated caps letting 'flash' get to the nipple(s)
I've figured myself that the most likely cause of 'flash-overs' on revolvers is poorly or inadequately seated caps letting 'flash' get to the nipple(s)
OldmanFCSA
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Young & Dumb .................
We, as older kids - young adults, use to load 38SPCL cases with a standard pistol primer, put paper punch dots in bottom of case over primer, pour level full of parefin wax, let cool, and shoot at each other while wearing combat gear and face shields. It was great fun until on a fast reload somebody loaded a live duty round. That stopped the game. This was well before paintball - airsoft was available.
No one was hurt by live round, but many went home with serious bruises from being shot where combat gear does not cover. Wax bullets hurt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We, as older kids - young adults, use to load 38SPCL cases with a standard pistol primer, put paper punch dots in bottom of case over primer, pour level full of parefin wax, let cool, and shoot at each other while wearing combat gear and face shields. It was great fun until on a fast reload somebody loaded a live duty round. That stopped the game. This was well before paintball - airsoft was available.
No one was hurt by live round, but many went home with serious bruises from being shot where combat gear does not cover. Wax bullets hurt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wr400
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my dads group of Cowboy fast draw shooters use primers to fire off the wax bullets they shoot! an they really smack too!
Primers never cease to amaze me either. I didn't want to dry fire an old Swedish Mauser that I had, so I used the already fired brass I had for it and I had a primer go off even after it had been shot and it made my ears ring a little! I would never have thought that possible till that happened...
Lost Sheep
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Not 100%. Primers are sealed with a varnish to keep them from being deactivated unintentionally by handling with fingers or collected humidity/condensation. WD-40, Kroil, Motor oil, whatever, can deactivate a primer, sure. But not FOR sure.
Lost Sheep
Hondo 60
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Use eye & ear protection, then just deprime it.
If it goes off, well you got eye & ear protection on, so no harm done.
If it doesn't go off, then you probably look silly with all that protection.
The first couple of hundred rounds I loaded with an old Lee Classic Loader Kit for 357....these are the old kits you use a mallet with (no press).
I bought it used from a pawn shop and thought everything was included.....well it is suppose to come with a washer that goes in the priming tool to line everything up.....mine was missing it and I had no idea.
I probably set off 1-2 primers for every 10 rounds I loaded....the first one that went off scared the mess out of me and it was load. Wore muffs after that.
Most of the information I had read on these kits said to expect to set one off every now and then. I thought it was normal....I now understand that a 15% bang rate is not how it is designed
I bought it used from a pawn shop and thought everything was included.....well it is suppose to come with a washer that goes in the priming tool to line everything up.....mine was missing it and I had no idea.
I probably set off 1-2 primers for every 10 rounds I loaded....the first one that went off scared the mess out of me and it was load. Wore muffs after that.
Most of the information I had read on these kits said to expect to set one off every now and then. I thought it was normal....I now understand that a 15% bang rate is not how it is designed
I'm at a loss too. When I shoot a cartridge in the gun, not only does the primer explode, but a much larger quantity of powder explodes to a much higher pressure than primer only.
paulo57509
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I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of these.
http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/components/plastic_training_bullets.aspx
http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/components/plastic_training_bullets.aspx
1SOW
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On a CZ tilt-bbl pistol action if you "push" a case WITH NO BULLET into the chamber by hand (instead of cycling the action and feeding a cartridge), you're flexing/bending the extractor claw.
Mine broke soon after I did this.
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I'd hate to see his blood lead level, as he has a continually replenishing source.
amlevin
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longdayjake said:
Did you utter the magic words "Here, hold my beer and watch this"?
For some reason people that do often survive in greater numbers than logic would indicate.
Taroman
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I can testify that WD 40 does NOT kill primers.
Many years ago, I managed to detonate a .50 BMG primer in my shop. I would compare the sound it made to a full house .357 Magnum revolver. Luckily, it was contained and the only injury was ringing in my ears for several days.
Many years ago, I managed to detonate a .50 BMG primer in my shop. I would compare the sound it made to a full house .357 Magnum revolver. Luckily, it was contained and the only injury was ringing in my ears for several days.
rcmodel
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That right there is simply impossible.
That would be akin to the same stick of Dynamite blowing up twice!
You must have had a primed case somebody had pulled the bullet out of a loaded round that misfired the first time.
Once a primer fires, there is simply no possible way it can fire a second time.
rc
JohnM
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It's gotta be true, it's written on the internet!
50bmg primers are murder
If you have reloaded ammo for some time, you have probably (like me) used your sizing die and decapper to get rid of bent or flattened LIVE PRIMERS. You just have to be very careful and gently, slowly, push them out.
About 2 years ago I started to reload the 50 BMG for my LAR single shot. Before I had purchased a primer pocket uniformer tool, I succeeded in deforming quite a few 50 caliber primers. They are so big that I was afraid to try pushing them out so I decided to just jettison the brass to the scrap pile.
I placed one of these primed brass on top of the wire screen above my outdoor burning barrel. There was a hot fire under it. I swear it was, like the man said, loud as a 357 magnum shot. The brass flew about 35 feet away and the primer had self ejected the case.
I am a believer! That box of 500 primers is the biggest hand grenade in my house. I am ever so careful in handling them!
If you have reloaded ammo for some time, you have probably (like me) used your sizing die and decapper to get rid of bent or flattened LIVE PRIMERS. You just have to be very careful and gently, slowly, push them out.
About 2 years ago I started to reload the 50 BMG for my LAR single shot. Before I had purchased a primer pocket uniformer tool, I succeeded in deforming quite a few 50 caliber primers. They are so big that I was afraid to try pushing them out so I decided to just jettison the brass to the scrap pile.
I placed one of these primed brass on top of the wire screen above my outdoor burning barrel. There was a hot fire under it. I swear it was, like the man said, loud as a 357 magnum shot. The brass flew about 35 feet away and the primer had self ejected the case.
I am a believer! That box of 500 primers is the biggest hand grenade in my house. I am ever so careful in handling them!
northark147
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I don't see how it is possible with center fire, but I wouldn't rule it out as I got one of the best whoopings of my young life over a 22 shell that had been fired. I know noone pulled the bullet out of that 22 except the squirrels head that was being cooked at the time that I for some odd reason decided to load the fired casing back in and pull the trigger. It made a pop.
Lost Sheep
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I would de-prime it just as one does fired casings. It is very rare for a primer to go off from slow, steady pressure. On occasion, I have primed cases with sideways primers and crushed them into the primer pocket beyond recognition. Now, if you put it in a vice and crush it completely flat, I will take no responsibiity, but de-priming has proven to be fairly safe. Wear eye (and eary) protection and if you are really cautious, drape a heavy blanket, canvas or a sheet of plywood between you and your press.
Now, what to do with the live, mangled primer you just deprimed. Don't lose it. Toss into a burn barrel, maintaining safety precautions, of course. Take it to your local neighborhood hazmat disposal facility. But don't count on oil, WC-40 or the like to deactivate it. Primers are well-sealed and, while many may be deactivated by such contaminants, 100% is a long way off. My guidline on unspent primers is that, until they are ground down to powder or fired, they are still dangerous - and the powder is always dangerous chemically and flammably, just less of a projectile hazard.
Depriming is very safe (with minimal extra safety measures over those required for priming). HazMat disposal is usually free for private individuals and small amounts of paints, oils, flammables and explosives. Setting them off in a fire is viable if you are away from anything that might get hurt by the potential shrapnel or pieces of flaming wood, or whatever the fire is made of, flying out. Count the primers going in and the pops coming out. If the flames don't kill it it was probably dead before you threw it in, but better to be sure.
Lost Sheep
Now, what to do with the live, mangled primer you just deprimed. Don't lose it. Toss into a burn barrel, maintaining safety precautions, of course. Take it to your local neighborhood hazmat disposal facility. But don't count on oil, WC-40 or the like to deactivate it. Primers are well-sealed and, while many may be deactivated by such contaminants, 100% is a long way off. My guidline on unspent primers is that, until they are ground down to powder or fired, they are still dangerous - and the powder is always dangerous chemically and flammably, just less of a projectile hazard.
Depriming is very safe (with minimal extra safety measures over those required for priming). HazMat disposal is usually free for private individuals and small amounts of paints, oils, flammables and explosives. Setting them off in a fire is viable if you are away from anything that might get hurt by the potential shrapnel or pieces of flaming wood, or whatever the fire is made of, flying out. Count the primers going in and the pops coming out. If the flames don't kill it it was probably dead before you threw it in, but better to be sure.
Lost Sheep
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I had also always heard that WD40 killed primers.
I had a friend who wanted a dozen 45 Colt dummies to keep on his pistol belt. He wanted them to look real, so I couldn't use fired primers.
I drilled a 3/8" hole in the cases on the side that would be next to the belt to identify them as dummy rounds, then put about 15 fresh primers in a cup of WD40 and let them soak for a week since I didn't want live primers in the cases.
I used one to prime an empty case and tried it in a revolver as a test, it went off fine.
I then loaded and tested the rest of WD40 soaked primers and every one of them worked perfectly.
I ended up using an x-acto knife to pick the anvil and priming compound out of some more un-fired primers so I could use the live-looking empty primer cups in the dummy rounds.
I had a friend who wanted a dozen 45 Colt dummies to keep on his pistol belt. He wanted them to look real, so I couldn't use fired primers.
I drilled a 3/8" hole in the cases on the side that would be next to the belt to identify them as dummy rounds, then put about 15 fresh primers in a cup of WD40 and let them soak for a week since I didn't want live primers in the cases.
I used one to prime an empty case and tried it in a revolver as a test, it went off fine.
I then loaded and tested the rest of WD40 soaked primers and every one of them worked perfectly.
I ended up using an x-acto knife to pick the anvil and priming compound out of some more un-fired primers so I could use the live-looking empty primer cups in the dummy rounds.
Iron Sight
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Some/Many/Most of us at times have been extremely lucky.
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