Illinois proposes tax on ammo to pay for trauma centers

Dr_B said:

Rob Reiner, by the way, has done all sorts of harmful things in the name of helping people. He makes good movies, but he has zero brains when it comes to public policy.

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This is why his TV Dad (Carroll O'Conner) called him "Meathead" all the time. He was right!

I don't know if his movies are any good or not since if his name is on the credits, I ignore it.

Dan

Yep, Chicago.... that is one city I would never live in. Been offered a job there in the past and declined due to my distain for the city and its politics.

So, what group would most benefit from this progam?

JustinJ said:

Yes, more dems are "anti gun" than republicans but there is no universal rule.

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I think you answered the question right there -- we need to keep an eye on all potentially gun-grabbing politicians, but evidently those with a D attached after their names more than otherwise. And only the Democrat party, on their own website, has ever chosen to make "sensible gun laws" a part of their party platform.

However, I'm certainly not going to argue that there aren't some horrible statists on both sides of the aisle.


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Plain and simple the Southern part of Illinois is going to have to try and wrestle control from the thugs up North in Chi-Town and they better get started. Chicago cannot continue to run that State or it might as well cede from the Union of which ironically its beloved native President so valiantly fought to preserve. The Mayor of a City is more important than the Governor of the State--it's sick! Moreover, they might as well make Chi-Town the Capitol and rename it "The Peoples Republic of Chi-Town."

-Cheers

In this bill, the money would go to "high crime areas". What area has higher crime than Chicago?

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East St. Lewis, IL., Gary, IN, Hammon, IN, Joliet, IL just to name a few.

Jim

If it were passed, somehow I doubt if any of the money is actually going to go to trauma centers. It will go to the same place the tobacco companies settlement money will.

My "gall"bladder has been traumatized.

Ten cents per box that goes to Fish and Game isn't bad at all, I mean that's the definition of a reasonable level of taxation and it's going to an appropriate agency for clearly related use.

Putting some blanket tax on ammunition to fund trauma centers is ridiculous, punitive, and is an attempt to punish people who aren't on the same wavelength as the establishment for the state. Doesn't Illinois have the fines that go to a victim's fund for people convicted of crimes?

East St. Lewis, IL., Gary, IN, Hammon, IN, Joliet, IL just to name a few.

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I've been to East St. Louis for my job. Its nothing but hazardous waste and strip clubs. They should just bull doze the whole city into the Mississipi River and start over.

Engineering society via taxation is a mark of tyranny. High taxes on ammunition to inhibit its consumption and to fund things that will likely not receive the money is tyranny.

To attempt to deny that this effort is not political is just silly, IMO. In the entire history of gun control efforts, say from the Civil War to present, there is but one political party mostly responsible.

Retards. What BS.

The real retards are the people who keep voting people like this into office. You get the government you deserve.

I think gun owners need to get much more active in educating the public and campaigning to get rid of people like this.

If all the Democrats of The High Road started making fun of message bills in states like Utah (we have one right now that reaffirms the affirmed open carry laws of Utah...huh?) it would be shut down quick.

Look at these posts, half are political. Not gun related. There needs to be better control in this website.

This attitude is antithetical to increasing the perception of the cause.

JoeMal Normal is about 75 miles east of me so I can't say how things are, but this link to a weather cam may bring back some fond memories of the Bloomington/Normal area.

http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/weather/skywatch-cameras/downtown-bloomington

I may be repeating myself....but I'm over 60 so I can do that!

The power to tax can be the power to regulate for legitimate state purposes. The State of Tennessee levies a 10 cent ($0.10) tax per box of ammunition, for the State Wildlife Resources Agency. Per sales unit, which may be a box of 5 rifled slugs or a spam can of 440 7.62x54R.

However, the SCOTUS has recognized that the power to tax can be used as "the power to destroy" (McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819)).

Gun control groups have proposed taxes on ammunition up to 5000% or fifty times the cost of the ammunition.

However, the SCOTUS has recognized that the power to tax can be used as "the power to destroy" (McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819)).

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Yep. In IL, I'd have to suspect that the tax leans toward the power to destroy simply because of the politics are so anti gun and they clearly disaggree with the Supreme Court decisions concerning individual rights and so forth.

There are many in TN that "kick" about paying the 10-cent tax per box of ammo. I recall driving up through GA and thinking I'd stop at Walmart for some 22 ammo to avoid the tax.... well the idiots there still had the 6-box limit in place that that been dropped by Walmart corporate months beforehand and there was no reasoning with them. I understand people not wanting to pay any tax, but the funds are used for a good cause which benefits many of the people in TN and only paid by a few.

In the case of Illinois as has been proven in the past with gambling revenues for school purposes blah blah.
Taxes do NOT fund anything useful to the citizens of this state!

If they really wanted to fund tauma centers, how about taxing alcohol? I'll wager there are more admissions to trauma centers as a result of alcohol misuse than from ammunition misuse. While we're at it, how about baseball bats and hammers? Anyone got any statistics?

DAGNABIT! Bergmen beat me to it! (RE: "Meathead")

Rahm wants to put a $65 licensing fee PER GUN on ALL guns. If this piece of bovine excrement were to pass, you can bet that 90% of it would go to Chicago trauma centers, if it actually went to any of them!

they should tax corruption.... they'd make a LOT more money than taxing ammo! Chicago... the armpit of America...

Better start taxing cars too....and icy sidewalks.

I hope not

Hope they get a petition going if there isn't one already.

Rahm wants to put a $65 licensing fee PER GUN on ALL guns.

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That has been tried in other states, but Rahm might just make it happen. He is rabidly anti-gun to the point he doesn't seem to want the citizens of Chicago to be able to defend themselves.