http://friendorfoe.us Still needs more entries but it's a start. I'm no programmer but someone may be able to make a smartphone app that interfaces the web page with the gps for easy search or entry.
Businesses that prohibit CCW
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SwampWolf
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One strategy I follow is, if a store prohibits the lawful carrying of a firearm I not only cease to shop there but I inform the owner as to why he will no longer get my business, nor will he get the business of the many ccw friends I have in the community. You might be surprised to learn how many businesses in my relatively small town have taken their "no handgun" signs down after learning why it's a stupid practice that garners only negative consequences. One establishment I am proud to say substituted the "no handgun" sign with one that states: "Please leave ski mask at front desk before shopping".
F-111 John
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Here's a handy printable card you can give to the offending business:
http://www.countrysurvival.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2010/06/nogunnomoney.pdf
There is a front and a back. If you print the front, then turn the paper around and print the back, you have a nice business card to leave with the cashier.
Hunter125
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I hold out of state CCW licenses that allow me to carry in other states, but I am also still holding out for IL CCW. Maybe I'm naive.
I've been to a number of Buffalo Wild Wings in Oklahoma and Texas and I've never noticed a "No Firearms" sign. It may be up the franchiser.
Double Naught Spy
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That is a very nice way to confirm that the sign is getting the intended result.
F-111 John
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Dave,
SD is no different from many other states in that a business can post a "no guns" sign and if you are asked to leave, you must leave, even if such signs have no force of law in that state. It is a list of those businesses that the OP was aksing about.
From Handgunlaw.us for South Dakota:
SD is no different from many other states in that a business can post a "no guns" sign and if you are asked to leave, you must leave, even if such signs have no force of law in that state. It is a list of those businesses that the OP was aksing about.
From Handgunlaw.us for South Dakota:
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marv
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If yer concealed, how they gonna know??
murphys_law
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Naive is an understatement. Always has been the worst place to live for freedom concerning guns, and probably wont change. Fwiw I think a list is a great idea but it will be very hard to keep current and comprehensive.
Hunter125
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I know the whole 'concealed means concealed' deal, but I would rather not break the law unknowingly. Also I would like to know where not to patronize.
In addition to the complexities of compiling such a database, a responsible person looks out for there self and does not rely on a website so that they don't have to look for the sign. Policies are always changing, if you are truly trying to follow the law a website might not be up to date.
beag_nut
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F-111-john,
I LOVE that file you offered! Going to print up a bunch tonight.
I LOVE that file you offered! Going to print up a bunch tonight.
Wanderling
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And I applaud you for plainly stating the very basic idea of democracy. Unfortunately many don't seem to get it (I am not talking about anyone in this thread, just making a broad statement). If I got a dollar for every time I heard / read someone say "It's a free country, if you don't like something here move some place else !", I'd be driving a shiny new Beamer. The beauty of a truly free country is, if we don't like something, we have every right to try and change it - via peaceful lawful means - without having to move. But we also need to respect the fact that other people have the same rights and opposing views.
Boycotting the business won't do much good in a place where most people don't carry. It may have just the opposite effect, as it is in essence a hostile act and will provoke a knee jerk reaction from Mr General Public. Education and friendly attitude, on the other hand, go long way. I used to support gun control and thought that making MI a "shall issue" state was a bad idea, and having a very passionate and very in-your-face-"2A-above-all-you-don't-know-sh#t" gun nut at my old work didn't help. It wasn't until I met quite a few polite, friendly, responsible, respectful gun owners, and realized that years went by and there weren't any battles in the streets, that I started to change my mind.
Lawdawg45
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Actually you wouldn't be breaking the law unless you were in a prohibited location by your state (bar, school, Federal building, etc), past that it's just a sign in someone's window. If they confront you, just leave. No harm, no foul.
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Twiki357
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I don't see where any type of list would be practical. There are to many variances. Other posters have said Bank of America and Applebees. Neither of them in my area are posted. But Costco, Sears, and Goodwill are posted for no firearms. And Cabela's is posted for no firearms/CCW holders excepted.
From what I have seen posted and on a number of forums, I believe that it's pretty much determined by the local manager or franchise holder and not as a corporate policy.
From what I have seen posted and on a number of forums, I believe that it's pretty much determined by the local manager or franchise holder and not as a corporate policy.
Robbins290
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Olive garden, regonial. Its in the training video. Cant keep it in ur own car. You could be fired on the spot. It never stopped me. Specially when i wouls get out at 1:30 in the morning. Bappy i havekt worked there in 10 years
theicemanmpls
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The stores that choose to post signs make me chuckle. I am sure the local union of gang bangers has a rule that all members must safely store their firearms before entering an establishment that has posted.
I only ccw. I only carry in buildings where l am not inviolation. I can drink all I want, while ccw, just as long as I don't exceed .04. The posted signs don't mean much. I carry anyway, and they never know. I continue to shop at the establishments. If the price is right, and the quality is there, why not?
Boycot them because their managment is stupid? Nah. Someone else can do so. I ain't got time for that.
Once, I showed the handle of my .38 to a couple of saggers who were scaring the owner of a chinese takeout. It looked like they were going to strong arm the contents of the cash drawer from the owner The estabishment WAS posted. No more. The owner asked if I could train him. He now has a permit. I always get extra food when I order take out now.
I only ccw. I only carry in buildings where l am not inviolation. I can drink all I want, while ccw, just as long as I don't exceed .04. The posted signs don't mean much. I carry anyway, and they never know. I continue to shop at the establishments. If the price is right, and the quality is there, why not?
Boycot them because their managment is stupid? Nah. Someone else can do so. I ain't got time for that.
Once, I showed the handle of my .38 to a couple of saggers who were scaring the owner of a chinese takeout. It looked like they were going to strong arm the contents of the cash drawer from the owner The estabishment WAS posted. No more. The owner asked if I could train him. He now has a permit. I always get extra food when I order take out now.
BSA1
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As a business owner my goal is to make a profit. My experience has taught me that most armed robbers only want they can take quickly, usually cash, without any resistance. My employees keep the till counted down reducing the amount of cash in the drawer. My policy is to give the robber whatever he demands.
So while you are in my store shopping packing heat and a armed robbery goes down. For whatever reason you decide to intervene and draw your roscoe. Now I have two strangers in my store pointing guns and yelling. Who is who? Robbers are known to work in teams. I am pretty sure neither one is cop, no badges flashed.
Someone gets itchy and the shooting starts. I'm armed and my concern is to protect myself and my employees. So who do I engage first? Since the robber is standing in front of me the rounds you are firing are coming in my direction. Greater threat is that bullet headed at me.
So I engage you and being lucky or unlucky I take you out with well placed round. The robber decides to flee and is gone.
So what is the tally? Shot up store, you are in the hospital plugged into tubes or worse in the morgue, million dollars of bad publicity.
The event the next day is front page in the newspaper, TV camera crews out front, radio coverage about the big shoot out.
Oh the cash in the drawer was $40.00 which the robber made off if you had not drawn your gun.
In the news the next day couple of lines about a robber making off with a undetermined amount of cash.
What is the greater cost?
Just because you think you have the right to pack a firearm anyway you damn well please does not give you the right to shoot up my business, endangering my employees, customers and myself. How I choose to resist a crime is my choice not yours and if you intervene you assume the awesome responsibility of your actions.
So while you are in my store shopping packing heat and a armed robbery goes down. For whatever reason you decide to intervene and draw your roscoe. Now I have two strangers in my store pointing guns and yelling. Who is who? Robbers are known to work in teams. I am pretty sure neither one is cop, no badges flashed.
Someone gets itchy and the shooting starts. I'm armed and my concern is to protect myself and my employees. So who do I engage first? Since the robber is standing in front of me the rounds you are firing are coming in my direction. Greater threat is that bullet headed at me.
So I engage you and being lucky or unlucky I take you out with well placed round. The robber decides to flee and is gone.
So what is the tally? Shot up store, you are in the hospital plugged into tubes or worse in the morgue, million dollars of bad publicity.
The event the next day is front page in the newspaper, TV camera crews out front, radio coverage about the big shoot out.
Oh the cash in the drawer was $40.00 which the robber made off if you had not drawn your gun.
In the news the next day couple of lines about a robber making off with a undetermined amount of cash.
What is the greater cost?
Just because you think you have the right to pack a firearm anyway you damn well please does not give you the right to shoot up my business, endangering my employees, customers and myself. How I choose to resist a crime is my choice not yours and if you intervene you assume the awesome responsibility of your actions.
Double Naught Spy
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Okay, let me help you. The CCW good Sam won't be pointing his/her gun at you or your people, but at the robber.
Big words, but whether you allow concealed carry or not, anyone in your business does have the right to self defense. If you selfishly think for a second that your customers are not in danger during a robbery of your business, you are very wrong.
SwampWolf
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No, I "obey" the laws so I won't "pack heat" in a store that has a stupid sign. Many of us in le term a place of business that forbids law-abiding citizens the right to self-defense and yet allows the armed criminal free entry-and you do that by definition with an "open" sign- a "killing field". The armed madman can read too, and with a stupid sign on the door (be it a school, a church or your place of business), he knows with absolute certainty that none of the patrons will be armed (after all, they are the law-abiding ones) and he now is assured that he can kill at will.
Really? And in your armed robbery "experiences", you can be certain that the robber(s) high on meth aren't worried about surviving witnesses and it won't be your store where employees and customers alike are herded into a back room, duct-taped and shot execution style? All of the owners of the places where these kinds of witness elimination killings have happened at have entertained the very same mind-set you apparently have. All of them, especially those that trusted in a stupid sign.
Not from me you won't. Nor from any of the many like-minded friends I have. Not one red cent. This is America and you can hang any sign you please on your establishment's door, even a stupid sign. And, because it's America, I can choose to spend my hard-earned money at any place I please. And it won't be at a shop that hangs a sign on the door that it hopes criminals will heed (when, by definition, they won't) and knows that law-abiding folks will. The perfect killing field storm.
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Robbins290
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I agree swampwolf
Not all of us are gun welding maniacs that act like robocop. I pack to defend my life, my wife and my daughter. Is a meth addicted rops a store while im in it. No way am i gettig between him and a cash drawer. I refuse to interact unless he starts his rage towards me. And i also refuse to do any product buying from bsa1. Or anyone else with the mind set that all ccw holders are reckless
Not all of us are gun welding maniacs that act like robocop. I pack to defend my life, my wife and my daughter. Is a meth addicted rops a store while im in it. No way am i gettig between him and a cash drawer. I refuse to interact unless he starts his rage towards me. And i also refuse to do any product buying from bsa1. Or anyone else with the mind set that all ccw holders are reckless
BSA1
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Okay, let me help you. The CCW good Sam won't be pointing his/her gun at you or your people, but at the robber.
And the robber is standing a few feet in front of me so Good Sam gun will be pointed in my direction. And it is common for robbers to operate in teams.
Big words, but whether you allow concealed carry or not, anyone in your business does have the right to self defense. If you selfishly think for a second that your customers are not in danger during a robbery of your business, you are very wrong.
Interesting legal point. Is a business owner liable if they don't allow concealed carry? On the other hand is the business owner liabile for the actions of good Sam by allowing guns into the shop? Either way there is lawyer in the water circling for the kill.
I agree that armed robberies are dangerous. Evidence supports that fact that most robberies want in and out as quick as possible. Of course there is the crack head/meth addict that can cause things to go south in a hurry.
The point I am making is this is the attitude of most businesses. Loss of $40.00 is cheaper than the publicity and loss of business from a gunfight. This is also the advice of most police departments.
I'll be honest and admit to being a coward. I avoid shipping at stores that are in certain parts of town, certain hours after dark, customers and layout of the store. I also believe in retreating whenever possible. So if I was in the above situation I would be looking for the back door. I lived long enough to know I have nothing to prove and have seen bodies in morgue of people who thought they had something to prove.
And the robber is standing a few feet in front of me so Good Sam gun will be pointed in my direction. And it is common for robbers to operate in teams.
Big words, but whether you allow concealed carry or not, anyone in your business does have the right to self defense. If you selfishly think for a second that your customers are not in danger during a robbery of your business, you are very wrong.
Interesting legal point. Is a business owner liable if they don't allow concealed carry? On the other hand is the business owner liabile for the actions of good Sam by allowing guns into the shop? Either way there is lawyer in the water circling for the kill.
I agree that armed robberies are dangerous. Evidence supports that fact that most robberies want in and out as quick as possible. Of course there is the crack head/meth addict that can cause things to go south in a hurry.
The point I am making is this is the attitude of most businesses. Loss of $40.00 is cheaper than the publicity and loss of business from a gunfight. This is also the advice of most police departments.
I'll be honest and admit to being a coward. I avoid shipping at stores that are in certain parts of town, certain hours after dark, customers and layout of the store. I also believe in retreating whenever possible. So if I was in the above situation I would be looking for the back door. I lived long enough to know I have nothing to prove and have seen bodies in morgue of people who thought they had something to prove.
Wanderling
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It's a liability issue.
If a business doesn't allow weapons, and some customers get shot by a criminal, I am sure it's very easy for this business owner to defend himself in court, should it ever go to the court. You're generally not responsible for the criminal behavior of complete strangers.
If, however, a law-abiding citizen shoots an innocent bystander during a confrontation with the said criminals, in a business that does allow firearms inside, I can see how this business could be held liable for creating the favorable conditions that led to such shooting. Now if the business disallows firearms, it has a way out - "hey, we don't allow guns inside, this guy broke our policy".
Not saying it's right or wrong. Just the way it is.
If a business doesn't allow weapons, and some customers get shot by a criminal, I am sure it's very easy for this business owner to defend himself in court, should it ever go to the court. You're generally not responsible for the criminal behavior of complete strangers.
If, however, a law-abiding citizen shoots an innocent bystander during a confrontation with the said criminals, in a business that does allow firearms inside, I can see how this business could be held liable for creating the favorable conditions that led to such shooting. Now if the business disallows firearms, it has a way out - "hey, we don't allow guns inside, this guy broke our policy".
Not saying it's right or wrong. Just the way it is.
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