Why the LCI???

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4kbeard

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So can anybody give me a REAL good reason why every other auto loader that I'd like to get now has that stupid bit of painted metal popping out the side, telling me what I, as a good & responsible gun owner/operator already know. The gun is loaded. We all know that the gun is loaded. Either because we A: loaded it, B: checked the chamber, or C: just used good sense and assume it is loaded until we personally empty the mag well AND clear the chamber. So because we all know that there is a bullet in the thing, why oh why in the name of The Holy Hand Grenade does the gun feel the need to tell me what I/we already know?
 
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I'm of the opinion that it has very little to do with actual safety. I figure it's mainly to satisfy the lawyers in states less friendly to firearms.
 
One of the most common negligent discharges occurs when someone wrongly thinks a pistol has to be unloaded because they removed the magazine. A LCI alerts the user that a round is still in the chamber.
 
They are not needed, the biggest reason you see so many is because some states require them.
What that means is a manufacturer either makes special models that can only be sold in certain states, or they add what is often a very simple modification to open up their sales to all states.


Some designs do slightly reduce reliability by adding an extra mechanical object that can cause problems, without really adding anything worthwhile.

Many of them fail to accurately display, or as they get dirty cannot move and give inaccurate info. Someone used to it saying it is loaded half the time when it is not is going to just ignore it anyways. Likewise any third party relying on them if checking or clearing someone else's weapon (like say police) is also being foolish.
While those with cuts or slits that actually let you see any brass have just created a new weak direction for pressure to vent and added greater chance of a kaboom with weakened or poor condition brass.
If relying on the indicator is foolish, and being able to see brass makes the firearm less safe, you are not even gaining the benefits to offset the slightly reduced reliability.

Many apply pressure to the casing or have the potential to get dirty enough to cause trouble with extraction. Adding a little more friction to the round than would otherwise be present during cycling. More friction also increases wear.
The most noticable cycling issues are likely to be with the smaller rounds, as they have less energy cycling the firearm to overcome political additions that increase friction.
I have seen some very reliably .22LR designs that become a little less reliable with a LCI for example. They may be just fine when clean, but add a little more friction from carbon and other things they could normally still cycle through without a LCI and the LCI can tip the scales and cause a failure. It is obvious when you remove the LCI from a firearm and it becomes a much stronger cycling firearm with rare hiccups even when dirty.
 
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I find it interesting how they've changed the poison symbol.
In the old days, it was the skull and crossed bones.

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Now, it's a smiley face that seems to be enjoying a nice green tart flavored elixer.

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I like my M&Ps. Its just a hole so you can look in and see if there is round in the chamber. Easy and no extra parts to break.
 
I actually love having a LCI. For competition purposes, when one prepares to fire by loading and releasing the slide/bolt, the LCI gives an indication that a proper feed has taken place without resorting to manual inspection.

But yes, the gun is always loaded.
 
Its just a hole so you can look in and see if there is round in the chamber. Easy and no extra parts to break.

If a pistol has to have an LCI, I think these are among the most tolerable.

Even better (less intrusive) are the style used by Walther (and some other manufacturers) which is just a red mark on the slide that becomes visible when the external extractor is pushed out by a chambered round. Of course, just a little bit of powder residue can make it invisible. It doesn't matter, because we know ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE LOADED.

The WORST LCI design out there has the be on the Ruger Mark III. The original steel ones could actually FIRE A CHAMBERED ROUND if struck sharply from the exterior of the pistol. The current hinged plastic version is an ugly flimsy piece that can inhibit reliability if the gun is very dirty. It also makes the chamber a pain to clean.

Fortunately, the Mark III's LCI can very easily be removed and the space filled by the excellent LCI filler made by Bruce Patza. It's a cheap ($17 or so) part that is easily installed and should be a de facto purchase for any Mark III owner.
 
I like my M&Ps. Its just a hole so you can look in and see if there is round in the chamber.

I second that. It is very simple and nothing to go wrong. The Glock LCI is also very simple. It is the extractor with a raised bump. Nothing to get in the way.
 
LCI doesn't bother me in the least but then again.....I it didn't have one it wouldn't bother me in the least either. If you don't like it....just don't buy it!
 
those with cuts or slits that actually let you see any brass have just created a new weak direction for pressure to vent and added greater chance of a kaboom with weakened or poor condition brass.

I've never seen one that exposes a part of the case where it shouldn't. They are all at the rear of the chamber, usually in the hood. If these concern you, you should be very nervous about the extractor cut, which is much larger and further into the chamber, and extremely worried about revolvers, which (gasp) leave the WHOLE RIM exposed! :eek:
 
I like the raised ejector on my Glock. I feel it with my finger every morning before I strap it on.
 
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