AR-15 / 5.56 for pigs?
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wow6599
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Perfect.....
I didn't know a hog gives you 30 rds before they decide to fight back.
allaroundhunter
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It, IMO is a marketing gimmick, and I will not spend $1+ per round on a pig when cheaper stuff does the job just as well.
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How long does it take you to unload a mag in an aimed fashion? How close do you let them get before you fire the first shot? How close until the follow-ups? They're pigs, not cape buffalo. Yes, they can mess you up if they get to you, but they're not like a Mack truck to stop. A PH with a double rifle can fire 5 aimed shots in less than 5 seconds. If you can't get off more than 3x that in that time with an AR...
Perhaps a semi-auto shotgun with slugs is more your thing?
Double Naught Spy
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If he is a PH, then why is he firing 5 shots with a double rifle at a pig? They're not like a Mack truck to stop!
It doesn't matter what a PH can do anymore than it matters what Bob Munden can do. We ain't those guys.
It doesn't matter what a PH can do anymore than it matters what Bob Munden can do. We ain't those guys.
No, he's proving that he can do it in a backup situation against a cape buffalo. My point is that if you can't shoot a semi-auto with essentially zero recoil significantly faster...
But seriously, guys hunt feral hogs all the time with bows. From the ground. Without a backup. If you really want to get up close and personal with them, that's your choice, but if you're so scared of them that you think an AR15 with premium hunting ammo is insufficient, you either shouldn't be messing with them or should stick to longer range work.
r1derbike
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I wouldn't use my 6920 on any larger than pocket-pigs. Maybe with some mk262 mod 1 rounds, but I'd be ready to run-like-hell, just the same. I value my twig-n-berries and other body parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlrSVsAdpI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlrSVsAdpI
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North Texan
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If a person can't kill a hog reliably with a .223, they aren't shooting well enough to be hunting.
I've killed hundreds of them with my .223 A-bolt, and I've never had a problem dropping them at any angle. If they are running straight away, I may have to use a disabling shot before I can place a clean kill shot, but that would be the case regardless of caliber. Any other direction, and they are easy pickings. I've always used 55 grain gamekings, but pretty much any controlled expansion round will work wonders.
I've killed hundreds of them with my .223 A-bolt, and I've never had a problem dropping them at any angle. If they are running straight away, I may have to use a disabling shot before I can place a clean kill shot, but that would be the case regardless of caliber. Any other direction, and they are easy pickings. I've always used 55 grain gamekings, but pretty much any controlled expansion round will work wonders.
JustinJ
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No animal "deserves" to suffer needlessly. That's a simple thing to understand.
alsaqr
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This.
Allowing an animal to suffer is not the right thing to do.
Bingo!!
Regardless of the guns caliber, i pass on many, many hog shots. My .223/5.56mm rifles have killed over 200 hogs, including about 60 killed this year. i prefer the US military M193 ball round. At distances to about 175 yards; when fired from a 20" or longer barrel, the 55 grain FMJ bullet penetrates about 5", yaws 90 degrees, breaks into at the cannelure and fragments. When a hog is shot behind the crook in the front leg; the bullet shreds the lungs, heart and, often, the diaphragm.
Only once has the 55 grain military FMJ failed to fragment. It was a long shot with 16" barrel carbine. It did not matter because the bullet went through the top of the hogs heart. i've have never lost a hog that was shot with a .223. If you handload .223 ammo the 53 or 55 grain Barnes TSX are very good bullets. Put the bullet in the right place and the .223 is a good hog killer.
Military bullet wound patterns by Col. Martin Fackler:
http://bajaarizona.org/fklr/fklr.html
Hogs are not rhinos. Yep, they will sometimes chase you. i've been chased four times. The only precaution i take is the wearing of chainsaw pants when going after wounded hogs.
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Double Naught Spy
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And hogs virtually never chase and harm people when the hogs have not been trapped, caught by dogs, or wounded by a hunter who is walking up the wounded animal which causes the animal to feel rightfully threatened. Generally, they ignore you or run away when they see you or see you have interest in them.
As far as using inexpensive ammo, I have no problem with that. I just shoot them in the brain with it. M855 works great. Other folks use 55 gr ball and it works well for them. You just have to know how to properly use your tools.
alsaqr
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This is true, usually.
Hogs that have German boar blood may act differenty: Many of the hogs here do have German boar blood: 100 pairs were imported from Germany about 12 years ago and released in SW OK. One day i was walking through a field and saw some pigs in the grass: Momma hog was mud bathing in the pond about 50 yards away; i had gotten between the pond and her kids. She weighed almost 175 pounds and looked bigger coming at me: i killed her. Another time i was charged by a boar who responded to the distress call of a sow i had wounded. Yep, they do have a distress call that will bring the cavalry. A friend was hunting when a big sow hit him from behind, knocking him down.
We have taken 11 sows and one boar off a section in the past week. Thats made a slight dent in the future hog population of that area. We caught these yesterday morning; all sows.
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