.22 TCM at the range today!

From what I have read on some tests, the round gets about 2000-2100+ fps which is higher than the 5.7x28mm from a pistol. I read some reports from the Philppines that it can go through 1/4inch of steel like 5.56mm can whereas most pistol calibers can not. I would not mind owning and firing one oneday !!! God Bless

I like mine, I've been shooting the 9mm configuration in bowling pin matches with some success.
I've been too busy with pins and work to do more than the initial 100 rounds of TCM ammo for reliability testing. Very low recoil, very big boom, big fireball (or sometimes fire ring), and it punched nice neat holes in all the misc. junk on the backstop at the range exactly where I was aiming.

You can't go wrong with the 22TCM, if the oddball caliber flops you're left with a superb hi-capacity 9mm 1911. Caliber conversion makes the difference.

It's a doublestack, isn't it?

yes, same doublestack mags for TCM or 9x19

Are the barrel dimensions the same as a regular 1911? As in, could you buy the barrel, and fit it into a single stack gun? Or is it completely different, and not really like a 1911?

I'd offer to compare, but my 45 1911s are both bushingless bull barrel designs. Perhaps I'll remember to measure the bushing of the TCM next time I have it apart, or at least get a good picture with a scale reference.


I don't know about dimensions, but Armscor tested and rejected the TCM round in single stack guns for feeding reasons.
Apparently they kept getting nosedives, and got all puckery when they realized that there was a real risk of the feeding round lighting off the primer of a round in the chamber.
I'd call that a lack of faith in extraction, more than anything, but there are no plans to put TCM out in a singlestack gun.
There have been comments that seem to imply a doublestack-width officer-height variant in the future, with 10x mags for the idiot states with a 10 round limit.

Thanks for the info, BFD. I was thinking of a possible caliber swap for my 9mm 1911 in the future, but I guess the nose dives rules this one out.

Might be solvable with magazine adjustment, after all the magwell in your 9mm 1911 is sized for a .45 case and mag, so there's some adjustment in there.
Armscor is selling every fullsize doublestack TCM gun and every round of SJSP TCM ammo they can make right now, they can take their time on R&D going forward.

I'm not a doublestack fan either, really, but the TCM isn't that fat.

Martin posted to facebook (yes, the CEO of ArmscorUSA maintains a FB page for customer service and publicity) that the TCM round was too high-pressure for many common 9mm platforms, so don't expect a bunch on conversion kits to flood the market any time soon.

Here, it isn't that fat:

it takes a standard gov-size mainspring housing (I know this for sure because that is a replacement MSH) and oddball grips that are quite slim, these are the VZ grips RIA has as a special run, the only aftermarket grips I could find that didn't require modification.

Mags are through RIA as well, some of mine are marked "38s" and some are marked "22tcm" ... I suspect that it is a modified .38super doublestack mag from something else, the "38s" mags look like they got some hand-fitting along the way.

It's a RIA and it shoots 9mm if you get tired of ordering TCM ammo, you sort of can't go wrong. If you were to order one and didn't like it, they're going for a premium on gunbroker, you'd be able to sell it without taking a major loss.

And more people need to be buying TCM ammo and TCM guns to get more options (ammo loads and gun sizes) on the market, so go buy one! If it matters to you, there have been some teaser photos of a rifle in the 22TCM as well, sharing magazines, and reloading dies are finally on the market.

You're right, it doesn't look that fat at all.

I appreciate the great info, and pictures. I may have to check out that rifle when it comes out!

I will say that the .22 TCM is a blast to shoot, i put a couple hundred rounds through mine. Don't know why, but I developed a nasty flinch with it that I just couldn't shake and ended up trading it off. Definitely turned a lot of heads at the range.

What is this "first round flyer" he keeps talking about in the article?
http://www.armscor.com.ph/img/AmericanHandgunnerJanFeb2012.pdf

Interestingly enough, like many autos, I experienced first- round “flyers” in each five shot group loaded from an open slide on a loaded magazine. Generally, that first round would be 1" or so out, then the other four would nestle into a tight group.

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Is this really a normal problem with most autos? or is this just marketing smoke?