Ban Assault Weapons & Mags then dry up the stock - that's their goal for all firearms

How many AR-15s and AK variants and their associated magazines are there in the US?
How often does one of those rifles or magazine break catastrophically that would require 100% replacement.

The 'leaded gas' argument only works when applied to guns if you ban their 'fuel', aka ammunition. A car with a lead-gasonline fuel engine only dried up in the system because it lacked the proper fuel. Even then, those engines could be converted to run on unleaded fuel. Evil black rifles, specifically the AR-15, can be converted if the fuel required to run it ever gets banned. A simple, albeit somewhat costly, conversion can be made so the rifle can fire anything from .22LR to .50 BMG to shotgun shells. there is even an upper I've seen to convert it to an inline muzzle loader. Hows that for your modern musket?


And Uncle Joe got his facts wrong. Again. Anyone surprised? Leaded fuel was banned in the mid 80's, and wasn't completely phased out of the supply chain until 2000. Even today, leaded fuel can still be purchased, at great expense, at some specialty automotive suppliers. Also, the average vehicle today is built to be disposible. Most folks don't own cars older than a decade. Certainly not after the "cash for clunkers" program. Guns will last lifetimes if properly cared for. Their service life can easily approach decades, if not centuries (I handled a Brown Bess from the mid 1700's at a VFW hosted gun show last year, still 100% operational).

Drying up the supply of AR rifles and magazines... they did that from '94-2004 (kinda). It's main effect was to drive up prices for pre-ban guns and mags. It was a collosal failure. Today, in 2013, they are a few more AR rifles and magazines in private hands. That supply will take longer than any gun grabber is willing to wait. They want them, they will have to come and take them.

I started a thread earlier on whether or not the anti's had already won the battle by passing bans on assault weapons and hi-capacity magazines

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Lets try and stay with the facts here folks. As of yet there is no current ban on military style weapons or high capacity magazines. Yes, there is one in the works but it is not law yet, not does it appear as if one would pass the congress if it was proposed..

The 'problem' with guns is that they last a heck of a long time compared to cars.
A gun can easily outlast its owner, and it's owner's children and grandchildren if properly cared for.
A car lasts what? 15-20 years if you look after it?

USAF Vet, the point is that that is their goal. To ban everything eventually and it will dry up over time. Their hope is that by the time the lawsuits and court cases overturn their illegal laws most if not all of the guns will be gone.

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Yeah, but gone where? I didn't have ammo or magazines after I bought my AR. The supply for mags and ammo is pretty sparse now, but I still kept my AR.

I've got an Arisaka Type 38. When I can find ammo, it's not cheap milsurp, it's high dollar Hornady at $36/ box of 20. It didn't cause me to sell my rifle.

I understand their goal, and I think we both agree that it's unrealistic. they say they learned their lesson after the '94 AWB. I don't think they did. We'll have to wait til the 2014 midterm elections to really find out.

The 'problem' with guns is that they last a heck of a long time compared to cars.
A gun can easily outlast its owner, and it's owner's children and grandchildren if properly cared for.
A car lasts what? 15-20 years if you look after it?

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This was a point I made earlier. Not too many guns out there can be considered as disposible as cars.

Can anybody verify the reports of DHS buying up to 1 billion rounds of ammo? One of the possibilities I heard on the radio this morning was that the government is trying to dry up the ammo market. Sounds a little too convoluted for me to buy it as a conspiracy. Besides, they're only drying up the market for certain types of ammo.


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" A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money"?

DHS buying up to 1 billion rounds of ammo?

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Open contract for training ammo. Been completely debunked.

I suspected there was more to it. Makes sense to me.


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USAF Vet, the point is that that is their goal. To ban everything eventually and it will dry up over time. Their hope is that by the time the lawsuits and court cases overturn their illegal laws most if not all of the guns will be gone.

They will attack ammo, magazines, and guns. Sure, you may say that it is impossible, that's not going to stop them from attempting to pass it.

And they just passed the ammo mag restriction in Colorado tonight, along with background checks, and no guns on campuses.
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Even so, if there is a demand for the product after the laws are overturned, someone will produce them again....I don't think Colt, Armalite, S&W, etc will just toss all the machinery in the ocean.

Plus if 3D printing becomes practical, it really opens up the possibilites...