Long Range Data Management

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kis2

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Hi folks,

For those of you shooting some of the long range practical matches, how are you managing your data? What I mean to ask is, are you carrying more than one card of ballistic data? Do you strap it to your rifle or do you lay out a book when you get in position?

Apart from memorizing, how do you ensure that data is available to you and easily/quickly read?

Thanks!
 
good question. depends on the stage, but i have the following tools handy on my person:

a tan 1/2 sheet of cardstock i took to officemax and had laminated
a grease pencil (to write on the laminated cardstock)
my laminated dope card at 50* and 1000 DA with come ups every 20 yards from 100-1200 (tan)
my mil-ranging cheat sheet (in blue)
iphone with shooter ballistic app
kestrel

if the stage briefing includes target distances, i will use my ballistic app and kestrel, to take a current temp/DA and then write my exact dope on the cardstock for all the targets and will run with that. then i just wipe the grease pencil off with my hand for the next stage

if the stage is blind or we have to range it as part of the stage, i run with the cards on a retractable lanyard attached either to my belt or chest depending. i'll usually have a good idea that say, past 700 yards i need to add/subtract a tenth for DA/temp.

most people these days are buying those wrist bands that quarterbacks wear and write their plays on. you can get them from local sporting goods stores. then write your stuff on index cards and slip it in the wrist band. that works pretty well too.

my cards look like this:
dopecard.jpg

pretty difficult to read from the quick iphone pic, but the headings are yards, drop, wind, and lead for movers, and I bolded the even 100 yard lines (100, 200, 300...etc)
The mil cheat sheet has common target sizes across the top (and back, not shown) which go from 1.7" (golf balls :rolleyes: ) to full size ipsc, and 48" (common rebar length). down the left side is "size of target in mils" and then the table values are the distance in yards.


however, in my pack, i also carry
2"x3" velcro with adhesive backs
shears (in my med kit)
small pad of paper
business-card-sized lamination kit
(all available at walmart cheap except the med shears)

so if for whatever reason i think it might advantage me to redo my dope card or put some other info on the side of the rifle or scope or wherever, I can write it on the paper, stick it in the lamination and cut a small piece of velcro and stick it to the back, then velcro it to my rifle/scope/whatever
 
Taliv, great information, thank you for the reply.

I am low technology at this point, so no apps for me. I do have a suunto that gives me DA and a cheap windometer (desperately wanting a nicer kestrel, but no funds right now).

I'm able to do the work myself, but if you are willing to share that mil-cheat sheet, it'd save me a good deal of time and I'd really appreciate it.

So with your current setup, it sounds like you have just the one card of dope, because you can make any 'of the day' changes with the app and the grease pen, which is super smart. For my app-less self, maybe a course of action would be a few different cards (for altitude primarily) in the pack, choose the one that applies for the day, and hook that up to the lanyard. That, and of course just being more familiar with my load so I can have the general idea of 'plus or minus a tenth' given the situation.
 
try downloading this

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/milcheatsheet.xls

you can unhide the top rows and change the number there. it should automatically calculate for you

i do have many dope cards, for different temperatures and DA and bullets and velocities etc. but it's too confusing to carry them all. I just take my best guess at what the weather will be when I'm shooting and make adjustments off it.
 
Excellent thanks! Think I'll put some of the common things I might range above the inches. like "elk" above the 30" mark.

Totally valid point about taking the best guess at the weather. My final question on your technique would be about the holdovers. I just see the one column, are you doing like 10mph wind and then just guesstimating from that number for any other winds to keep the card simple? I think mine is overly complex right now.

Thanks again for the help!
 
wind is proportional. so a 20mph wind will be twice as much and a 5mph wind will be half as much. so you just have to do the math.
 
yep, got that, just making sure that's what you were doing. putting the 10mph makes sense, half for 5, double for 20, add the 5 number to ten for 15. slick enough.

like I said, I think my current card just has too much info on it. apart from drop, I have spin drift (which all the way out at 1k would account for .3), wind numbers for 5, 10 and 15, numbers for inclines and moving targets at two speeds.

Going to chop it up!

I appreciate all the help Taliv!
 
forget spin drift.

sorry that example was misleading. i try to estimate wind to 2mph, so just a wee bit more math. generally speaking, the smaller the target the more time you have. so if it's a big target, a 5mph wind guess may be fine. if its a 1moa target, you may need to estimate a lot tighter.

so the other way to think of it is just move the decimal place. and that will give you a 1mph wind, then multiply by your wind call, if that's easier.

mover speeds are proportional too. so you really only need one of those too. i'd suggest 2 or 3 mph as a walk speed then double or triple it for a faster mover
 
moving the decimal place is genius sir, thank you very much
 
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