Do all AK variants murder brass?

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Pictures tell all. Severe dents, torn or deformed rims, and some damaged necks. I don't own one of these rifles and this brass was fired by someone at the range today. Landed about 35ft from where he was sitting.

Also shown is some .30-06 someone thought was a good idea to shoot. For better of for worse they were at least partially successful.
 

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I don't know about ALL AK variants, but everyone I've shot or seen shot has damaged brass pretty bad. But I normally see it on the case mouths and the shoulders on x39. Those are obviously 5.56 NATO rounds so they were loaded fairly "hot." Probably makes the rifle extract pretty violently and looks like they were impacting on the charging handle upon ejection. They're Russian designed rifles, might as well used Russian designed ammo....steel cased that is.
 
Those are obviously 5.56 NATO rounds so they were loaded fairly "hot."

They are NATO but they're 7.62x51. Cell phone pics, I know.

I would own one in x39 but that's about it! Nothing I care about reloading for sure! It seems that this particular rifle is on the ragged edge of functionality. Seems like a failure to extract waiting to happen.
 
Your pictures are pretty clear. I just have tired eyes and didn't pay much attention, just somehow managed to see the NATO symbol.

But if they're 7.62x51, it probably wasn't technically an AK variant that fired them. It would technically be an RPK variant. But the design is very similar.

Those .30-06 rounds, are you saying they were that corroded and someone fired them at the range while you were there? I can't imagine how someone would think that's a good idea.
 
It would technically be an RPK variant. But the design is very similar.

Thank you for the clarification. That does make sense.

Those .30-06 rounds I picked up while picking up others' brass they left on the firing line. (I can't believe how many people leave their brass laying around - unabashed brass scrounger) Hopefully they stopped shooting b/c they ran out of this ammo, realized it wasn't a good idea or were corrected rather than a KB. Needless to say they are in the recycle bucket.
 
A guy I know has an AK & his brass doesn't look like that.
Sorry, but I don't know what variant he has.
I don't know if it matters, but he doesn't reload so all his ammo is surplus and/or Wolf/Tula.
 
I've had some brass 7.62x39 and picked it up with the thoughs of saving it....... until I looked at it.

I think the AK was meant for steel and is very rough on brass. Chews up the rims and dings the necks.
 
My AMD-65 doesn't molest as it ejects. I have shot plenty of steel cased ammo with no damage when ejected. Also, no damage on brass cased Berdan primed South African ammo. My M70 is pretty rough on brass. Mostly, on the mouth and rim. Incidentally, the AMD65 is the most accurate AK variant I have shot.
 
I own a cheap WASR10 variant of the AK47 and it does not do anything bad to the "brass". But then again my rifle isn't shooting .308 brass cases.
 
I'd say that my Saiga, in .223, "injures" brass, but it sure doesn't "murder" it like in those pictures. I use a bit of fender trim to minimize the damage from where the brass strikes the receiver.
 
My Saiga in 5.56 puts a NASTY dent about halfway between the shoulder and the rim on every single round I've ever fired.

It also chucks brass into the next state. But hey, it's never stovepiped:D
 
My Norinco (nhm-91) seems to be pretty tough on brass. I get the 'dings' mostly, and it launches brass into the county I am firing towards. Still, I enjoy reloading for it.

That dinged up brass gets saved and reloaded.

I only partly agree with the comment that the AK is not a good rifle to reload for. Agree because if I am not careful, my brass can be difficult to find.

However, as my AK fires all matter of damaged brass without tearing case mouths, separating the head, or requiring constant trimming so it will properly chamber, I'd say, for me, it's a reloader'd dream...and I've been reloading over 20 years. That short case, big hole and low velocity make for an enjoyable experience. Plus, I have used magnum pistol primers (deep seated) to fire many of my loads.

It's a great reloading cartridge, that 7.62x39
 
One day at the range a guy had a CETME that was new. I was packing up at the rear, about 20 ft behind and to his left. The cases were ricocheting twice and still left welts where they hit me. Needless to say, the brass was destroyed by the ejector and the concrete ceiling. Didn't say anything, just got out as fast as I could.
 
From my saiga they come out pretty good but as someone said, ak's were not made with reloading in mind. Cheep Ammo, fairly accessible... Or use to be.
 
My MAK 90 slightly dings the brass but I'm averaging 25 reloads with my brass, somewhat reduced pressure and annealing after 5. I only shoot cast through mine - reloaders dream IMO.
 
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