84% of Brits Want UK Handgun Ban to End According to Poll

This could be a turning point for the UK.

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I doubt it. If the UK ever gets their handguns back, it won't be anytime soon.

We only just got a Supreme Court ruling overturning handgun bans recently, and that is a constitutionally protected right here. They have no such thing, so it's all uphill for them.

Odd Job said:

Still a lot of nanny state nonsense happening though. Check out the story of the three-cornered flapjack and the cheese-rolling race:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...hool-bans-dangerous-triangular-flapjacks.html

http://news.sky.com/story/1096178/cheese-rolling-contestants-chase-foam-disc

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These examples go beyond the nanny state. They seem like a form of psychological conditioning to me (or tests at the very least), intended to get the people accustomed to accepting completely arbitrary laws/rules that have no real-world relevance as precedents for even more oppressive laws in the future. Gun control laws in the US are similar, except that more effort goes into fooling those who are naive enough to believe they can be effective in reducing violence and saving lives. The point is to find and use any excuse whatsoever, whether or not it makes any sense whatsoever, to assert control as frequently as possible and in as many areas of our lives as possible.

Many assumed or thought that the Brits favored their anti-gun laws, or got used to them

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That would've included me, as well, but I also can't help but think that the recent murder of that British soldier, the Swedish riots and Western Europe's insane immigration policies would have helped create this new sentiment.

But do you honestly think the British government is actually going to allow their mostly civil, polite and well behaved citizenry to possess handguns??

Me neither.

the UK is controlled by a very select elite. They all went to the same schools, they all come from similar social circles and they all agree on things like gun control.

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....and that is different than the US exactly how?

But power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Don't expect the powers-to-be in the UK to give up ANYTHING.

They may have to revolt like we did in 1776 to get their rights.

You see the people in the UK ARE NOT CITIZENS. They are SUBJECTS. They have NO BILL OF RIGHTS.

If their guns could be banned, and then un-banned, then they can be banned again.

Deaf

THe British citizenry did come up with the Magna Carta which is one of the founding philosophical documents for the Constitution. It is a pity that neither country seems to follow either today.

Justin Lib: I believe your President liked to go around spouting a figure of somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of Americans were in favor of background checks without citing a source. Same deal.

I think these poll results certainly provide the impetus to do a thorough poll in the UK on the gun control topic.

Can you cite an example in which this was done?

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The facts are that the poll actually asked if people would support background checks on purchases made at gun shows which is a red herring since any gun dealer selling guns at a show must conduct background checks already. Any individuals without a gun dealer license selling guns are very limited in how many guns they can sell. I've seen BATFE agents prowling the local flea market harassing anyone selling guns and making sure they are only doing so in a limited fashion. The poll implies by it's wording that background checks are not required at gun shows. That's the gun grabbers party line and it totally misrepresents the current situation in this country. And Obama certainly cites this flawed poll. While it may not be an online poll it certainly is an unscientific poll because it represents a situation that does not exist. It's just not something that's happening which makes it a dishonest question. No one expects a poll clearly designed to elicit a specific response by asking a leading question about a situation that doesn't exist. Well most people don't expect that anyway unfortunately. They should because it happens all the time. Obama doesn't limit himself to citing a dishonest poll either. He elaborates on the conclusion of that poll to claim it indicates 90% of Americans want "more gun laws" when in fact the subject of the poll is already established law in the USA. The so called "gun show loophole" is a fabrication of the gun grabbers who have to keep their names in the news to keep any momentum they might have going (momentum established by a string of horrible mass shootings). The facts are totally ignored in the process like the fact that mass shootings are declining and gun violence is declining and all violent crime is declining. A really effective move by the government to control actual crime would be to find out exactly why we have these trends and to expound on whatever drives that trend. At the risk of sounding callous I would say that some violence must be tolerated because of the second amendment. Much worse sins are prevented by the 2nd and it should never be abolished or overturned even when we lose people to senseless and evil actions. If we were having thousands of these incidents I might be tempted to agree that something should be done but we aren't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/.../National-Politics/Polling/question_10030.xml

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qwro9jUf1C4#t=75s

He was asking specifically for instances in which an online poll was cited.

The two or three polls that created the "90% support background checks" monster were not "online polls", they were phone-based polls taken by actual polling agencies.

In the U.K., the genie has been out of the bottle so long, it may never be found, let alone get stuffed back into its bottle.

We HAVE to heed the warnings of the Brits and Aussies about their disastrous gun control grab.

Look closely at those two countries, and you see murderous madmen still kill people with anything that is handy, including guns obtained on the black markets.

Do we really want to be firearm raped by this admin. and others to follow?

The warnings are there, but I see we have grown into a country of low information voters, incapable of grasping the future, or even giving a damn about it.

Pierce Morgan is gonna be pissed....

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First, it's "Piers Morgan", not Pierce. If we feel the right to get pissed off because he uses "assault rifle" and "clip" instead of "semiautomatic" and "magazine", we should get the twit's name straight.

Second, I may have to watch his show for a few nights because I can't wait to see what he says when a guest throws this one back in his face. When's the next time Ted is coming on the show?

Second, I may have to watch his show for a few nights because I can't wait to see what he says when a guest throws this one back in his face. When's the next time Ted is coming on the show?

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What he probably would say, and rightfully so, is that internet polls are meaningless and only a person completely ignorant of basic stastics would use one as evidence to support their position. Using this "poll" does nothing but make us look bad.

Integrity? Ignorance?
This is politics man....lol
I'd convince people aliens are on the moon and about to invade earth if I thought it would help preserve our Constitutional Rights bro.
Just sayin'....

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So do you say that when people complain about the tactics of gun control advocates? This attitude of "anything goes" is one of the biggest problems in our country today, resutling in absurd degrees of polarization in which its acceptable to just pull nonsense out of one's rear and claim it to be fact.

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First, it's "Piers Morgan", not Pierce. If we feel the right to get pissed off because he uses "assault rifle" and "clip" instead of "semiautomatic" and "magazine", we should get the twit's name straight.

Second, I may have to watch his show for a few nights because I can't wait to see what he says when a guest throws this one back in his face. When's the next time Ted is coming on the show?

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lol....

I don't care about the man enough to even look up the spelling of his name.
You knew who I meant.
It's not "my" fault he even spells his own name wrong.

It is much easier to Tyrannize an unarmed populace than an armed one

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Except they are being tyrannized and terrorized by their recent "immigrants" from a certain geographic region.

I have friends who own homes there and here, and the street violence committed by certain groups of youths with razors, knives, etc. has skyrocketed (recent beheading as an example) and the people are now afraid of them, making the attacks even more brazen. All it would take would be a few citizens with legal means to defend themselves to turn that tide

that poll is a joke they will never be able to own an airgun and we are headed to the same bans here. that poll is like asking brits: would you like a free car. 85% of brits say yes

All it would take would be a few citizens with legal means to defend themselves to turn that tide

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I don't doubt that one bit, but unfortunately, I doubt that will ever happen there.

JustinJ said:

So do you say that when people complain about the tactics of gun control advocates? This attitude of "anything goes" is one of the biggest problems in our country today, resulting in absurd degrees of polarization in which its acceptable to just pull nonsense out of one's rear and claim it to be fact.

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I'm not saying or suggesting that any of it is right.
But I'm not here to be the morals police either.
I agree with you that the "anything goes" mentality sucks.
It's like a bad rash that politicians on both sides just can't completely cure.
I'm just trying to be realistic here instead of idealistic.

We as a country (in my opinion at least) have already set our own selves up for absurd polarity problems since day one.
This is nothing "new" like the way you make it sound.
Even in the beginning, we were divided during the Revolutionary War.
Some were Rebels or Patriots, and others were Loyalists to the British Crown.
Even Benjamin Franklin's own son, William Franklin, was a Loyalist to the Crown and became completely estranged from his famous father.

Then, we set up a 2-Party system which also pits one group against another.
Then later, we fought over Federal Power -vs- States' Rights.
We had a President who sent Federal troops against his own civilian population.
Then we freed slaves.
Yet, at the same time, we continued anyways to track, hunt, kill and/or capture Native Americans and imprison them in concentration camps that we "politely" called reservations.
All of these things are only just the beginning.
A whole huge list could be created all the way up to modern times today of things that has caused "polarization" among our citizenry.
It will never end.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that there is no "real" black and white simplicity in America and never has been.
It's almost always some shade of gray or another.
It totally sucks, I agree.
But it is what it is.

So when it comes to fighting for and preserving our Constitution and freedoms against those who would gladly strip those Rights from us in a blink of an eye...
I have no problem with keeping up the fight on all fronts, even if it means fighting within those gray areas too.
Holding the moral high-ground is a wonderful goal we should strive for.
However, in my mind, losing the war itself because of it, is just not an option.
War is dirty, horrible, cruel and miserable most times.

BBQJOE said:

In a society where you can go to jail for holding a pencil inappropriately, or carrying anything sharper than a rubber spatula, I seriously doubt returning guns to the people will ever be a reality.

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For true. Heck, they don't even have good teeth any more since everything's been pre-chewed for them for generations. Soylent Green is tasty and gummable!

First, it's "Piers Morgan"

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Exactly. An anagram of "Romping Ar__" Not ass, which is a perfectly fine word for a donkey. But AR__, which is the old Anglo-Saxon word for backside.

Considering the spelling of "Piers" first name, maybe we should think of him in "nautical" terms - as in "a long walk on a short one" - or what you tie your boat to at night.

I'm not saying or suggesting that any of it is right.
But I'm not here to be the morals police either.
I agree with you that the "anything goes" mentality sucks.
It's like a bad rash that politicians on both sides just can't completely cure.
I'm just trying to be realistic here instead of idealistic.

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Thinking we shouldn't lie, look stupid and damage our credibility is idealistic? So you're saying you know it's wrong but you're gona do it anyways?

We as a country (in my opinion at least) have already set our own selves up for absurd polarity problems since day one.
This is nothing "new" like the way you make it sound.
Even in the beginning, we were divided during the Revolutionary War.
Some were Rebels or Patriots, and others were Loyalists to the British Crown.
Even Benjamin Franklin's own son, William Franklin, was a Loyalist to the Crown and became completely estranged from his famous father.

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I didn't say the polarization is new. Only that the levels of today are atrocious. Yes, the degree of polarization has varied throughout our history and now is the worst since probably the 60's. The difference today is that the placing winning above the good of the country is rampant.

So when it comes to fighting for and preserving our Constitution and freedoms against those who would gladly strip those Rights from us in a blink of an eye...
I have no problem with keeping up the fight on all fronts, even if it means fighting within those gray areas too.
Holding the moral high-ground is a wonderful goal we should strive for.
However, in my mind, losing the war itself because of it, is just not an option.
War is dirty, horrible, cruel and miserable most times.

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First, i believe it a great disservice to soldiers when we equate political strife with war. They're not in the same ball park. And part of our problem problem comes from the fact that we mistake political fights for wars and view our opponents as enemies in a general sense.

Second, since when is blatant lying a "gray area"? Sorry, but you are doing nothing but rationalizing. If you believe it's okay to sacrifice your principles when they aren't convenient then you never actually had them to begin with. Morality aside, lying and distortions may net short term gains but always backfire in the long run. Credibility is easily spent up and hard to rebuild.

kendak said:

wasn't the soldier that got killed with an axe or knife in the UK? ...that ought to be a message to them that everyone needs to have the right to own & carry

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Yes indeed, there was no chance of having anyone defend the beheaded soldier for fear of prosecution as well as lacking the means (gun and knives). The U.K.’s population has not being able to defend themselves for over a generation, and frankly the government does not care to change that.

Chuck

Sabbath,

Oh yea there is such a thing as 'black and white'.

Now I am a Texican... to the right of John Wayne, but yes freeing the slaves was the RIGHT THING TO DO. No grey there at all.

Political mess? Say man, go look at the news papers in other countries. They have their own political messes to. It ain't a matter of white or black or grey area, it's a matter of opinions.

As for our rights, one had better zealously guard them or the will be gone. Plenty of people would happily trade their freedom for some theoretical safety. It is up to us to educate them that the word safety is relative. There is no absolute 'safe'. And what they seek is not safety but servitude and the hope the masters will make some effort to keep them safe (as in the U.K. now.) And we now see how that is playing out.

Deaf

Wonder what our UK members think.

Wonder what our UK members think.

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I'd like to know also. I saw on at least one firearms forum a post to "hit this poll" so I am curious just how many from the UK voted in the poll itself, vs folks from other countries, since it was an online poll.