Greybeard
Member
A copy and paste below of e-mail received last Thursday.
Below it is a copy and paste of TPWD's May 23,2013 press release included as Mr. Russells' attachment.
Below that is an e-mail received from Mr. Robert Ramirez the day after he and Ms. Herron had presented the proposed rule changes to the Commission on May 22. If interest in listening to the audio of that, it begins at about the 55 to 60% point.
Warning: Portions of it may very well make you angry. Or want to puke.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication ... ession.mp3
As already expressed to Ms. Herron, my prediction is that, if passed, at least 75% of the current and upcoming generations of hunters will opt "learn" their gun handling safety, skills, attitudes and ethics on a computer screen - or an I-Phone, because it is "convenient".
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Fellow Hunter Education Instructors, it was good to visit with many of you on the phone today, and I appreciate those of you who returned calls or sent emails based on the messages I left. Let me quickly introduce myself by saying that I have been instructing Texas hunter education courses for seven years. I serve on the board of the Texas Hunter Education Instructors Association as the District 8 representative ( Northeast Texas .) And last year for the second consecutive year I saw over 975 participants come through my classes, many of those team-taught with my teaching partner, Rod Craig, also of Tyler .
If you will go to the last issue of “Target Talk,” http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication ... _12_12.pdf ,
and scroll down to page 8 to the letter addressed, “Dear Steve Russell,” you will probably have a very clear idea why you are hearing from me with every means of communication I can use to reach out to you. (The other letters are pretty cool, too!)
I have attached a proposal up for comment at this time that will come before the Texas Parks & Wildlife Commission in late August. I hope you will read it carefully. I do not know the origin of the proposal nor its originator(s.) Therefore, even though this matter is extremely personal to me, it is not a personal conflict with someone. My chief objection to the proposal is that it completely destroys the role of and the need for the volunteer hunter education instructor.
All of us who have done very much service in this arena know that the overwhelming majority of those who attend our classes are there because they, by law and threat of citation, have to be. However almost everyone is shocked to learn that in the mid-1960’s when I began quail hunting beside my dad and behind an array of setters and pointers, it was not unusual for hunting related fatalities to exceed thirty-five deaths in our state! I believe a direct relationship exists between that number being reduced to a record low of two just two years ago and the requirement for hunter education. It should also be noted that last year Texas set a record of over 45,000 participants in hunter education. No serious person would dare to challenge the success of hunter education in Texas , and that success was built on the foundation of dedicated volunteers like you and me.
The current proposal destroys the need for a qualified course instructor by adding to the current law permitting youth age sixteen and under to hunt with a qualified adult. That addition permits those seventeen and older to complete hunter education certification via an “online only” course and examination. Succinctly put, those under sixteen will hunt with an adult; those seventeen and over will do the work online; and the result will be empty classes because people will naturally pursue the least burdensome way to hunt legally. No instructor will be necessary.
I am not going to give you the full transcript of my objections to this proposal, but I do want to list quickly a summary of my position and beliefs:
•Something done “on a computer” does not mean better. Technology is not a god; it is a tool. There are some skills and attitudes that are better mentored than simply read and regurgitated.
•Going from minimal exposure to safely handling a firearm to no exposure is a giant step in the wrong direction. Anyone want an automotive technician working on your brakes who has never held a wrench, but who watched the procedure very carefully and who made 75 on the test? This proposal makes a mockery of safety.
•Few hunting scenarios from the outdoors can be replicated on a two-dimensional computer screen.
•Which is more convincing to describe the great American family heritage and traditions of hunting, a sixty year-old, grey-haired hunter with nearly fifty years of hunting experience and a significant hearing loss, or a statement on a screen to try to capture that image? (Pardon the self-portrait.)
•When someone tells you “ethics” is what you do when no one is watching, you need to look that someone in the eye to see if he or she really believes it.
•When an instructor advocates “fair chase,” “clean kill,” and “collecting the harvest,” and when he or she teaches that hunting, as a tool of wildlife conservation, has secured the preservation of wildlife and habitat for generations to come, how is that sense of conviction going to come from a computer screen? An instructor can make a participant feel the effects of wildlife experiencing diseases, predation, and starvation. Can a computer?
I could go on, each of you could add more and more on top of whatever I might say. But let me ask two final questions: How much more are we going to “dumb down” everything before we realize we are just dumb? How much dehumanizing will we accept before we wake up, and we aren’t human?
We won’t all agree on the details—how long should a hunter education class last, etc.—but I know many of you share my general feelings because you told me so and because you and I are on the front lines of this effort. Whoever made this proposal did it from a desk, not a deer or duck blind or from a hunter education class.
If you agree with me, please feel free to forward this email entirely or in part, with or without your additional statements, to Nancy Herron, TPWD Outreach & Education Director, who is receiving comments prior to the Commissioners meeting: [email protected] . Thank you for listening and reading, and I hope you will respond according to your own conscience and experience. Best wishes and good hunting.
STEVE RUSSELL, 903-530-4338
http://www.empoweringtexasyouth.org
http://www.texashuntereducation.com
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http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/r ... &nrsearch=
Print – Plain Text – Permalink
News Release
Media Contact: Steve Lightfoot, 512-389-4701, [email protected]
May 23, 2013
TPWD Proposals Aim to Streamline Hunter Education Process
AUSTIN – Proposed changes to the state’s hunter education certification program would streamline the process for the tens of thousands of Texans who take the course annually, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department officials.
Anyone born after Sept. 1, 1971, must successfully complete a Hunter Education Training Course to hunt in Texas.
Under current rules, hunters can take the traditional two-day course that must be spread over a minimum of 10 hours, or they can opt to take the self-paced knowledge-based portion online home study. Students must then complete a four-hour field training class for certification.
TPWD is proposing a suite of options that could reduce the time commitment for completion of the course by half. By streamlining the curriculum, officials suggest the classroom portion of the process could be reduced to five hours. The field training class length would remain unchanged. Nothing in the proposed changes prohibits students from taking advanced workshops on hunter education topics of special interest or more extensive curriculum offered in high school and college courses.
For students 16 years of age and older, TPWD is proposing the option of an online instruction only certification that would eliminate the required field training component. Active duty military and certain veterans are already exempted by law from the live fire component of courses that involve live fire.
“Our hunter education courses serve a wide variety of students,” said Nancy Herron, TPWD Outreach and Education Director. “One may be a nine-year-old with a parent in tow, another a teenager taking a class in school, and then an experienced 60-year-old preparing for big game hunting in another state. Providing additional course options will make getting hunter certification more convenient and better fit our students’ needs.”
To pass the current course options, students must take a 50-question written exam and get 70 percent correct if they take the traditional two-day course or 80 percent if they take the course online. TPWD is proposing to standardize the passing grade for all options to a minimum score of 75.
The certification is valid for life and is honored in all other states.
Public comment on the proposed changes can be made online at http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/fe ... c_comment/ or to Nancy Herron, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, 4200 Smith School Road, Austin, Texas, 78744; (512) 389-4362 (e-mail: [email protected]). If adopted by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission at its August 22 public meeting, students could begin taking advantage of the new process this fall.
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Greeting instructors,
2013 marks the 25th Anniversary of mandatory Hunter Education in Texas. I am excited about the new proposals for the expansion of the Hunter Education program. The proposed changes illustrate a “back to basics” approach to Hunter Education but reiterate the role of the volunteer instructor as a vital component of Hunter Education. I would like to assure each and every one of you that volunteers will always be a vital part of the Hunter Education program. “Hunter Education is a core function of Texas Parks and Wildlife,” stated Executive Director Carter Smith. Hunter safety is paramount to volunteers, TPWD leadership, and the general public. TPWD will not waiver with regards to hunting safety to ensure the continuation of the hunting heritage that is so deeply embedded in the soul of the citizens of this great State. Your continued dedicated service will be vital for the transition to the changes pending Commission approval. None of the proposed changes will go into effect until Commission ruling on August 22, 2013.
The proposed changes presented to the Commission will allow for Hunter Education certification by:
One day classroom course; not to exceed 5 hours of classroom course work)
Home study with a field day; not to exceed 5 hours of field day activities)
Online instruction course for citizens who are 16 years of age are older.
Our goal in an online course is to use technology in a way that challenges the student with hunting safety scenarios. We will use images and video scenarios to show proper hunting skills and in shoot-don't-shoot, what's wrong with this picture (muzzle control, finger not outside the trigger guard, etc.), questions to test students. We will always look for the best techniques for teaching and testing safety skills, whether it is for in-person or online study. Again, all proposals are pending TPWD Commission approval on August 22, 2013. Therefore, operations will continue as usual until final approval in August. Preparations are being made by Hunter Education staff for the change once approval is granted. Our headquarter staff has been diligent in creating tools for the instructor, which include items that focus the curriculum on the basics of Hunter Education. There will be regional trainings and online teaching tools under instructor resources aid in the transition as we move forward.
Our hope is that more people will take Hunter Education for the following reasons: it will be accessible, flexible, and convenient. Another aspect of this expansion is to offer advanced workshops or mentored hunts giving the instructor more opportunities to impart their vast skill and knowledge in hunting.
Lastly, everyone will have the opportunity to post their comments on the following link once the proposals are posted to the Texas Registry: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/fe ... c_comment/ or to Nancy Herron, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, 4200 Smith School Road, Austin, Texas, 78744; (512) 389-4362 (e-mail: [email protected]). If adopted by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission at its August 22 public meeting, students could begin taking advantage of the new process this fall.
Thank you for dedication and commitment to the Texas Hunter Education Program. I would like to leave with a final quote that summarizes your volunteerism “Volunteers don't just do the work ~ they make it work”. -Carol Pettit
Sincerely,
Robert Ramirez
TPWD Hunter education Manager
512-389-8140
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It was good to see that Ray Sasser, normally very supporative of TPWD, also promptly jumped on the issues with both feet.. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/more-s ... ckfire.ece
"Hunter education is effective. TPWD started mandatory hunter education in 1988. From 1966 through 1987, the state averaged 78.4 hunter accidents and 19.3 hunting-related fatalities per season. Since 1988, the average number of accidents has declined to 43.3 per season, and fatalities have been reduced to 5.6 per season. Why change a program that’s worked so well?"
Unfortunately, it’s human nature to do things the easy way. Otherwise, hunter education would never have been mandatory. Hunters would have realized the need for such classes and taken them voluntarily.
“Our hunter education courses serve a wide variety of students,” Herron said. “Providing additional course options will make hunter certification more convenient and better fit our students’ needs.”
It doesn’t get much more convenient than online courses, which currently hold students to a higher testing standard.
Students must take a 50-question test. Students who take the two-day course must correctly answer 70 percent of the questions. Online students must correctly answer 80 percent. The proposal would make 75 the passing score for all options.
Hunter education has never been about convenience, nor should it be. If anything, the minimum acceptable test score should be higher.
Every student should witness the damage that can be done at close range by even a .410 shotgun or a .22 rifle. If you’re not just a little bit afraid of a gun, you shouldn’t be handling one.
There’s no question that hunter education works in Texas, but it’s not perfect. During the 2012-13 season, there were 25 reported accidents and five fatalities. None of the shooters involved in the fatalities had taken hunter education. One shooter was 13 and another was 9. One of the victims was 12.
Texas doesn’t need less hunter education with lower testing expectations. Texas needs more hunter education with higher testing expectations. Public comment on proposed changes can be made online at tpwd.state.tx.us/business/feedback/ public_comment/."
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Below it is a copy and paste of TPWD's May 23,2013 press release included as Mr. Russells' attachment.
Below that is an e-mail received from Mr. Robert Ramirez the day after he and Ms. Herron had presented the proposed rule changes to the Commission on May 22. If interest in listening to the audio of that, it begins at about the 55 to 60% point.
Warning: Portions of it may very well make you angry. Or want to puke.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication ... ession.mp3
As already expressed to Ms. Herron, my prediction is that, if passed, at least 75% of the current and upcoming generations of hunters will opt "learn" their gun handling safety, skills, attitudes and ethics on a computer screen - or an I-Phone, because it is "convenient".
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Fellow Hunter Education Instructors, it was good to visit with many of you on the phone today, and I appreciate those of you who returned calls or sent emails based on the messages I left. Let me quickly introduce myself by saying that I have been instructing Texas hunter education courses for seven years. I serve on the board of the Texas Hunter Education Instructors Association as the District 8 representative ( Northeast Texas .) And last year for the second consecutive year I saw over 975 participants come through my classes, many of those team-taught with my teaching partner, Rod Craig, also of Tyler .
If you will go to the last issue of “Target Talk,” http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication ... _12_12.pdf ,
and scroll down to page 8 to the letter addressed, “Dear Steve Russell,” you will probably have a very clear idea why you are hearing from me with every means of communication I can use to reach out to you. (The other letters are pretty cool, too!)
I have attached a proposal up for comment at this time that will come before the Texas Parks & Wildlife Commission in late August. I hope you will read it carefully. I do not know the origin of the proposal nor its originator(s.) Therefore, even though this matter is extremely personal to me, it is not a personal conflict with someone. My chief objection to the proposal is that it completely destroys the role of and the need for the volunteer hunter education instructor.
All of us who have done very much service in this arena know that the overwhelming majority of those who attend our classes are there because they, by law and threat of citation, have to be. However almost everyone is shocked to learn that in the mid-1960’s when I began quail hunting beside my dad and behind an array of setters and pointers, it was not unusual for hunting related fatalities to exceed thirty-five deaths in our state! I believe a direct relationship exists between that number being reduced to a record low of two just two years ago and the requirement for hunter education. It should also be noted that last year Texas set a record of over 45,000 participants in hunter education. No serious person would dare to challenge the success of hunter education in Texas , and that success was built on the foundation of dedicated volunteers like you and me.
The current proposal destroys the need for a qualified course instructor by adding to the current law permitting youth age sixteen and under to hunt with a qualified adult. That addition permits those seventeen and older to complete hunter education certification via an “online only” course and examination. Succinctly put, those under sixteen will hunt with an adult; those seventeen and over will do the work online; and the result will be empty classes because people will naturally pursue the least burdensome way to hunt legally. No instructor will be necessary.
I am not going to give you the full transcript of my objections to this proposal, but I do want to list quickly a summary of my position and beliefs:
•Something done “on a computer” does not mean better. Technology is not a god; it is a tool. There are some skills and attitudes that are better mentored than simply read and regurgitated.
•Going from minimal exposure to safely handling a firearm to no exposure is a giant step in the wrong direction. Anyone want an automotive technician working on your brakes who has never held a wrench, but who watched the procedure very carefully and who made 75 on the test? This proposal makes a mockery of safety.
•Few hunting scenarios from the outdoors can be replicated on a two-dimensional computer screen.
•Which is more convincing to describe the great American family heritage and traditions of hunting, a sixty year-old, grey-haired hunter with nearly fifty years of hunting experience and a significant hearing loss, or a statement on a screen to try to capture that image? (Pardon the self-portrait.)
•When someone tells you “ethics” is what you do when no one is watching, you need to look that someone in the eye to see if he or she really believes it.
•When an instructor advocates “fair chase,” “clean kill,” and “collecting the harvest,” and when he or she teaches that hunting, as a tool of wildlife conservation, has secured the preservation of wildlife and habitat for generations to come, how is that sense of conviction going to come from a computer screen? An instructor can make a participant feel the effects of wildlife experiencing diseases, predation, and starvation. Can a computer?
I could go on, each of you could add more and more on top of whatever I might say. But let me ask two final questions: How much more are we going to “dumb down” everything before we realize we are just dumb? How much dehumanizing will we accept before we wake up, and we aren’t human?
We won’t all agree on the details—how long should a hunter education class last, etc.—but I know many of you share my general feelings because you told me so and because you and I are on the front lines of this effort. Whoever made this proposal did it from a desk, not a deer or duck blind or from a hunter education class.
If you agree with me, please feel free to forward this email entirely or in part, with or without your additional statements, to Nancy Herron, TPWD Outreach & Education Director, who is receiving comments prior to the Commissioners meeting: [email protected] . Thank you for listening and reading, and I hope you will respond according to your own conscience and experience. Best wishes and good hunting.
STEVE RUSSELL, 903-530-4338
http://www.empoweringtexasyouth.org
http://www.texashuntereducation.com
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http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/r ... &nrsearch=
Print – Plain Text – Permalink
News Release
Media Contact: Steve Lightfoot, 512-389-4701, [email protected]
May 23, 2013
TPWD Proposals Aim to Streamline Hunter Education Process
AUSTIN – Proposed changes to the state’s hunter education certification program would streamline the process for the tens of thousands of Texans who take the course annually, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department officials.
Anyone born after Sept. 1, 1971, must successfully complete a Hunter Education Training Course to hunt in Texas.
Under current rules, hunters can take the traditional two-day course that must be spread over a minimum of 10 hours, or they can opt to take the self-paced knowledge-based portion online home study. Students must then complete a four-hour field training class for certification.
TPWD is proposing a suite of options that could reduce the time commitment for completion of the course by half. By streamlining the curriculum, officials suggest the classroom portion of the process could be reduced to five hours. The field training class length would remain unchanged. Nothing in the proposed changes prohibits students from taking advanced workshops on hunter education topics of special interest or more extensive curriculum offered in high school and college courses.
For students 16 years of age and older, TPWD is proposing the option of an online instruction only certification that would eliminate the required field training component. Active duty military and certain veterans are already exempted by law from the live fire component of courses that involve live fire.
“Our hunter education courses serve a wide variety of students,” said Nancy Herron, TPWD Outreach and Education Director. “One may be a nine-year-old with a parent in tow, another a teenager taking a class in school, and then an experienced 60-year-old preparing for big game hunting in another state. Providing additional course options will make getting hunter certification more convenient and better fit our students’ needs.”
To pass the current course options, students must take a 50-question written exam and get 70 percent correct if they take the traditional two-day course or 80 percent if they take the course online. TPWD is proposing to standardize the passing grade for all options to a minimum score of 75.
The certification is valid for life and is honored in all other states.
Public comment on the proposed changes can be made online at http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/fe ... c_comment/ or to Nancy Herron, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, 4200 Smith School Road, Austin, Texas, 78744; (512) 389-4362 (e-mail: [email protected]). If adopted by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission at its August 22 public meeting, students could begin taking advantage of the new process this fall.
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Greeting instructors,
2013 marks the 25th Anniversary of mandatory Hunter Education in Texas. I am excited about the new proposals for the expansion of the Hunter Education program. The proposed changes illustrate a “back to basics” approach to Hunter Education but reiterate the role of the volunteer instructor as a vital component of Hunter Education. I would like to assure each and every one of you that volunteers will always be a vital part of the Hunter Education program. “Hunter Education is a core function of Texas Parks and Wildlife,” stated Executive Director Carter Smith. Hunter safety is paramount to volunteers, TPWD leadership, and the general public. TPWD will not waiver with regards to hunting safety to ensure the continuation of the hunting heritage that is so deeply embedded in the soul of the citizens of this great State. Your continued dedicated service will be vital for the transition to the changes pending Commission approval. None of the proposed changes will go into effect until Commission ruling on August 22, 2013.
The proposed changes presented to the Commission will allow for Hunter Education certification by:
One day classroom course; not to exceed 5 hours of classroom course work)
Home study with a field day; not to exceed 5 hours of field day activities)
Online instruction course for citizens who are 16 years of age are older.
Our goal in an online course is to use technology in a way that challenges the student with hunting safety scenarios. We will use images and video scenarios to show proper hunting skills and in shoot-don't-shoot, what's wrong with this picture (muzzle control, finger not outside the trigger guard, etc.), questions to test students. We will always look for the best techniques for teaching and testing safety skills, whether it is for in-person or online study. Again, all proposals are pending TPWD Commission approval on August 22, 2013. Therefore, operations will continue as usual until final approval in August. Preparations are being made by Hunter Education staff for the change once approval is granted. Our headquarter staff has been diligent in creating tools for the instructor, which include items that focus the curriculum on the basics of Hunter Education. There will be regional trainings and online teaching tools under instructor resources aid in the transition as we move forward.
Our hope is that more people will take Hunter Education for the following reasons: it will be accessible, flexible, and convenient. Another aspect of this expansion is to offer advanced workshops or mentored hunts giving the instructor more opportunities to impart their vast skill and knowledge in hunting.
Lastly, everyone will have the opportunity to post their comments on the following link once the proposals are posted to the Texas Registry: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/fe ... c_comment/ or to Nancy Herron, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, 4200 Smith School Road, Austin, Texas, 78744; (512) 389-4362 (e-mail: [email protected]). If adopted by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission at its August 22 public meeting, students could begin taking advantage of the new process this fall.
Thank you for dedication and commitment to the Texas Hunter Education Program. I would like to leave with a final quote that summarizes your volunteerism “Volunteers don't just do the work ~ they make it work”. -Carol Pettit
Sincerely,
Robert Ramirez
TPWD Hunter education Manager
512-389-8140
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It was good to see that Ray Sasser, normally very supporative of TPWD, also promptly jumped on the issues with both feet.. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/more-s ... ckfire.ece
"Hunter education is effective. TPWD started mandatory hunter education in 1988. From 1966 through 1987, the state averaged 78.4 hunter accidents and 19.3 hunting-related fatalities per season. Since 1988, the average number of accidents has declined to 43.3 per season, and fatalities have been reduced to 5.6 per season. Why change a program that’s worked so well?"
Unfortunately, it’s human nature to do things the easy way. Otherwise, hunter education would never have been mandatory. Hunters would have realized the need for such classes and taken them voluntarily.
“Our hunter education courses serve a wide variety of students,” Herron said. “Providing additional course options will make hunter certification more convenient and better fit our students’ needs.”
It doesn’t get much more convenient than online courses, which currently hold students to a higher testing standard.
Students must take a 50-question test. Students who take the two-day course must correctly answer 70 percent of the questions. Online students must correctly answer 80 percent. The proposal would make 75 the passing score for all options.
Hunter education has never been about convenience, nor should it be. If anything, the minimum acceptable test score should be higher.
Every student should witness the damage that can be done at close range by even a .410 shotgun or a .22 rifle. If you’re not just a little bit afraid of a gun, you shouldn’t be handling one.
There’s no question that hunter education works in Texas, but it’s not perfect. During the 2012-13 season, there were 25 reported accidents and five fatalities. None of the shooters involved in the fatalities had taken hunter education. One shooter was 13 and another was 9. One of the victims was 12.
Texas doesn’t need less hunter education with lower testing expectations. Texas needs more hunter education with higher testing expectations. Public comment on proposed changes can be made online at tpwd.state.tx.us/business/feedback/ public_comment/."
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