Shot placement on hog with 357 Max

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Ok guys I never thought I'd have to ask a shot placement question. Iv been hunting sense I was old enough to walk. But I'm new to hunting hogs. Last year was my first attempt at it. Killed 3, one with a 22lr (absolute worst display of my capabilities in my life. Goofed up the first shot and after chasing it through the swamp and emptying my rifle and both handgun mags I finally got it down. Like I said this enbarrased me to no end.) and the second was between the eyes with a 45-70, the other was through the shoulders, 45-70, both drt. But the 357 max is no 45-70.

I hunt in thick swampy public land. Can't use bait, so have no way to get them to sit still. My Contender, ten inch tube in 357 max with a 2x scope or possibly a Burris fast fire. This will be the first year hunting with a handgun or with this caliber and I really don't want to be blood trailing a punctured piggy through the swamp. What are my chances for a DRT and what's the best place to put it? Thanks guys!
 
In the ear ought to do it.

But a 158 or 180 grain .357 Max through the shoulder joints and it will have to run off standing on it's hind legs I betcha.

rc
 
The 158 gr. Hornady XTP-FP (no exposed lead and holds together much better than the XTP-HPs) should be just the ticket. The bullet's construction is more important than velocity in my opinion ... and being able to place the shot. If your shots will be under 40 yards, consider open sights or Aim-Point type rather than trying to find it in the 2x scope.
 
Thanks for the quick replies guys. I plan to try for ear if possible but just wondering how to get the mist out of a ticked off little 180 gr pill. I'll have to check our regs but I believe we have to use an expanding bullet down here in Louisiana. I was going to try to find some of the hornady or Sierra SSP bullets if they are even made anymore?

Crap looks like this is turning into a "what bullet to select" thread.
 
But a 158 or 180 grain .357 Max through the shoulder joints and it will have to run off standing on it's hind legs I betcha.

Has not been my experience with a .357 Carbine. DRT on a shoulder shot after a little kickiin' around on the ground. Definitely have to go THROUGH the shoulder, though, and NOT behind it. Nothing behind the shoulder but guts. I found that out the hard way first pig I ever shot.

Now, my .357 Magnum carbine ought to be pretty comparable ballistically to the 10" Maximum Contender. I'm shooting a 165 grain Lee cast, gas checked SWC at about 1850 at the muzzle. Don't need no stinkin' jacketed bullet, rather shoot my own. No leading in the 20" rifle tube with that gas checked bullet, either. The bullet mold is sold as a 158, but with gas check weighs 165.
 
Has not been my experience with a .357 Carbine. DRT on a shoulder shot after a little kickiin' around on the ground.
I think you missed my attempt at humor.

What I said was, a .357 Max through the shoulders and it would have to stand up on it's hind legs to run off and get away.

Which sounds like the same thing you are saying.

rc
 
I think you missed my attempt at humor.

Mmm, wouldn't be the first time. :D We're in agreement, then.

To the necks, ears, etc, answers, this guy is HANDGUN hunting. Shoulder makes for a bigger target especially if he's not standing there peacefully munching on corn as baiting where he's hunting is not per the rules. Depending on the rest you're using, but even WITH a rest, handguns are a little harder to place a shot in an ear canal with.

There are no rules in Texas on private land, can use land mines, helos with door mounted mini guns, 40mm grenades, whatever, but we do have some WMAs that have rules. I have hunted one that's buckshot only. I don't really trust buckshot beyond 25 yards, but it's the rules there.
 
Actually got a few chuckles out of that exchange lol. And really? 1800+ from a 357 mag? Why the heck did I buy a maximum then?!

So basically just punch through shoulders and I should be ok right?
Also, I know this sounds goofy but does it matter where in the shoulder I put it? On deer with a 308 I just punch dead center and usually get DRT, but it seems like I remember someone saying to go something closer to 1/3 the way up?
 
Actually got a few chuckles out of that exchange lol. And really? 1800+ from a 357 mag? Why the heck did I buy a maximum then?!

Because your maximun is in a pistol. I get 1800+ fps from a 20 inch .357 magnum CARBINE barrel. A maximum in a carbine would be pretty awesome. :D

So basically just punch through shoulders and I should be ok right?

You got it....unless he's head on to you and you can make the head shot. Did that once with my .357 magnum Blackhawk off a rest at 60 yards and with my 3" Taurus 66 off hand at a paced out 13 yards. Your pistol is PLENTY enough gun for hogs and if you have a good rest, Contenders can make many rifles look stupid in the accuracy department. You probably have embarrassed a few rifle shooters at the range? :D That's always fun. Hunting with my .30-30 Contender is almost like cheating, a little hand rifle. :D
 
If you want a heart shot, you need to forget about deer anatomy. The bowhunters have to wait until the hog is quartering away and slip the arrow in just behind the near shoulder/leg so that it angles forward to get the heart.

If you want to bleed out a hog fast just stick a long-bladed knife straight into the heart from the front of the hog right above the 'bump' under the neck. It punctures the heart and gushes out.

P.S. That Hornady 158 FP-XTP is an expanding bullet. It just penetrates well and withstands the higher velocity of a .357 Max. I use it in my Ruger BlackHawk chambered for .357/44 Bain & Davis. The muzzle velocity is 1730 fps. In my Contender barrel for the same round I use a .358 spire point 150 gr. Remington Core-lokt or a .358 180 gr. Hornady spire point.
 
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Thanks for all the input guys. I'm really looking forward to trying this.

Mcgunner, this is actually the first time iv had it in pistol format. Last year it was a 45-70 carbine (can you say recoil?) but to be totally honest, I rather enjoy embarrassing people at the range with a 22 rifle, so I'm sure the pistol will be even more fun. :D

And cazador, dude I REALLY want a B&D. That's such a cool round.
 
And cazador, dude I REALLY want a B&D. That's such a cool round.

The easy way is to get a Blackhawk convertible with a .38/.357 cylinder and a 9mm parabellum cylinder. Just send off whichever cylinder you don't want to use and have it rechambered to .357 B&D. I had the 9mm one rechambered. I bought the Contender barrel from T/C but don't think they offer it anymore..
 
I would want to do it for contender if possible. Id think if someone (MGM or bullberry?) can't make a custom tube, maybe mike Bellm could re chamber something for me? Although the Blackhawks conversion is very cool
 
The best kill shots for wild pigs is top third to middle of the neck behind the ear, between the back of the jaw and the leading edge of the shoulder.

The Neck and backbone join just forward of the shoulder, at the front of the shoulder and about the mid line. That shot will knock them flat everytime, bleed them out and prevent lost piggies.

I have had more bad experiences than good experiences shooting them mid shoulder, usually that resulted in a wounded pig diving for the thickest brush without the courtesy of leaving a blood trail. And that includes using everything from .22 to 30.06's and 7mm Rem Mags.

There is a post up on the 6.8 Forums of the Cartlidge "shield" your bullet might have to traverse if you shoot for the shoulder.

http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?34256-Why-we-shoot-pigs-behind-the-ear-*Graphic*
 
If you go with any type optics try and find something as low powered as you can with a simple illuminated dot in the center or in the center of the cross hair. If your going to use standard iron, you might want to pick up some china chip repair from the hardware store and touch up the front sight and tips of the rear. In low light, (think thick canopy, early or late) on a black hog, your iron sights will simply disappear.

The link posted above will serve you well to study up on their anatomy. I shoot plenty of them and in most cases I do my best to hit them from the leg to the ear with anything I am using. 95% of the time it will result in them hitting the ground. Some of the bigger ones might require a finishing shot, but most drop like a rock. There are times however when the lighting is poor and when they are moving along at a pretty good clip, when things simply don't always go where you thought they should. Those are the other 5%.

If your looking for the best eats, the faster they hit the ground DRT, and the faster you get them skinned and in the cooler the better the meat will be. I realize that will depend on how far your hunting back in the sticks or swamp, but it is especially important with the heat we're getting into.

Like MC stated, over here there simply isn't much we can't use or do to dispatch them. Myself and my good friend have been doing our part for a number of years to take all we can out of the environment. Even with shooting every one we can manage to acquire a sight picture on they are still winning.

As for your Max, if your loading your own, the Hornady XTP is a good jacketed, or you might consider using one of the excellent cast WFN, or RFN designs. The thing about using them is you don't actually have to push them to the top end to get great penetration or a good wound channel. If your load is accurate, and running between 1150 and 1350'ish FPS, it will do a number on a hog. Out of my 6" GP-100, I have been using some Oregon Trail 158 RFN's, and I'm loading them to around 1250fps using H-110 or 269. The hit with authority and will easily drive right on through a 150'ish pound hog. I have taken several with it, some were DRT some weren't, but the weren't was fully due to when the first round goes off, you shoot for hog and don't always hit in the specific area you were aiming. Usually when we are up in the thick stuff is when things get touchy, as you might only see one or two, but when the hammer drops you might immediately find out there was actually 8-15 or more up under the brush you didn't see.

Look over the link posted and study how they are built and you will be ahead in the game. Find something you can use in low light and still see, and remember hogs are usually black or dark in color, so you can easily loose black cross hairs or iron sights. Most any of the fiber optics, if you can find them might work out, but they still need light and I have a set on my 41 that have been too dim to see while I could easily still see the hogs. The white china chip repair enamel will shine pretty well even when it is too dark to be shooting which is why I have used it on most of my iron sights. You only need a touch. Just be sure to clean your ramp and rear blade off using some denatured alcohol and a q-tip, before applying it to remove any oil.
 
The neck is the biggest target on a hog. Anything over 70lbs and I wouldn't expect a pass through.
 
357 max and a 180 gr bullet is a LOT of whallop. In line with the font leg as the "bottom" crosshair and the horizontal above the elbow. Should produce a heart shot.
 
i dont know any serious hog hunter that would advocate a vitals shot. Head or neck is the way we do it. You arent going to get a pass through on a good sized hog with handgun calibers unless you go for a non expanding bullet and that is a whole nother set of handicaps, that means a small entrance wound and very little to no blood trail. none of the hogs I shot have been in broad daylight and blindly tracking a wounded boar after dark is not on my to do list. Handgun hunting hogs is fun but go for the neck and you always get DRT
 
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