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Aggressive coyotes

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There is some speculation that coyote/dog Cross-Breeds are responsible for this sort of aggressive behavior.

The dog genes make then less fearless toward man.
Makes a lot of sense to me.

In all my years in Kansas, I have cornered them in farm buildings, fences, and even had one 'come back to life' after I shot it and put in the trunk of my car.

In every case, they were way more afraid of me then I was of them.
Coyotes seem to be changing -- I tracked a pack following elk in Colorado, and if I hadn't known better I would have sworn I was following a pack of woves.

Here in Arkansas, I have seen a lone coyote attack a full-grown elk cow in a field.
 
I was surrounded by coyotes here in CA while sleeping in a tent in the woods. It was deathly quiet and then all of a sudden the loudest racket you ever heard kicked off. They were yipping all around me in that meadow. That is the closest I have been.

All other times I have seen them, they hightailed it as soon as I was within earshot.
 
Don't get me started with camping encounters, geeze. Every single time I camp I end up with a pack in camp every single night. Even with a generator running they still come right into camp, as if they know we are fast asleep. " Hey Bob, the humans have gone to sleep, lets go sit by their fire, drinks a few brews, dig through their garbage".

Then there are bears. I've had some very, very close calls with those critters. I've had them fall out of trees in front of me, then get up and look at me, as if to say "Oh crap, I thought that branch was stronger than that". I've had them attack my truck, literally walking all over my truck and trying to get into the cab, and had them come running up to me while calling turkey. Fortunately I've never been attacked though, probably because they are blacks, not browns.

But yotes, well, they have always been on my hit list, as they have been the most annoying of predators where I live and hunt.

BTW, I lived in, and hunted in SD for about 6 years and never saw all that many yotes. Winters must be very hard on them, their mortality rate must be rather high.

GS
 
I remember, hunting dove in an orange grove in southern California about 25 or so years ago. It was real foggy out and me and a partner were waiting for the fog to lift. I heard a little bit of movement to my right, and as turned to get a better view, I saw a couple of coyotes right next to me. I abruptly stood up and shouldered my shotgun. They both took off before I could even get a shot off.
 
I agree with "armoredman" as to their intelligence, they are smart. That's exactly why I got concerned when I saw them trying to coral me, as it appeared. I'm a small man, 5'5" 120 lbs. with shoes and clothes on, so I may have looked doable?

Last night was no less interesting, as walks go, as I happened upon a good size herd of javelina. Now they can be some what aggressive, I've had a number of very close encounters, mostly when archery hunting them though. After having glassed and placed myself into an ambush position, I have had them so close, and so confused, that they would be running straight at me, into each other, and into just about everything else in their stupid blind paths. Seriously, during the day time they are just about 90% blind so if you keep yourself from getting winded, they will literally walk into to you if you stand still.

GS
 
The last month or so I've been walking 5 or 6 miles per night in an effort to condition myself for an up coming high elevation turkey hunt. So last night I was walking some public land, BLM land actually. It's not at all unusual to bump into bob cats, coyotes, deer, javelina, and even the occasional mountain lion.

I was walking along and hear some noise in the brush and when I shined my light I saw a coyote 25 - 30 yds. away just looking at me. But it didn't seem to be afraid of me, instead it was keeping pace with me. As I continued walking I checked in on him several more times when all of a sudden I saw a very large pack all around me, and they were all moving in toward me in unison. I tried yelling to send them running, but they just started running radically all around me, and then one or two would run right past me, just several yards from me. At this point I pretty much knew they were looking for an opportunity to attack. I stuffed my ear plugs in and ended up shooting at them, which sent them on their way.

GS

Just in case you haven't cued in on this from this experience, the first thing you noticed about the first coyote you saw was classic stalking behavior. I'm hoping that in the future you'll key up on that right away as a precursor to some really bad stuff heading your way.

As for what may make a coyote aggressive towards humans, several factors can contribute to this. What you should NOT do is predicate any of your beliefs/understandings on what other people may say about how they've "never known coyotes to be aggressive towards humans". They're stalking of you could have been a matter of hunger...or, quite possibly, something you were doing could have triggered the stalking behavior. And that may simply have been you walking around alone, with a limp, walking slowly, perhaps being winded or exhausted, or maybe even making some small sound which came across as "injured critter".

The fact of the matter is this...a coyote is a predator species and they've been around for a long, long time. Which makes them a successful predator species. This is not to be underestimated.

And though they are related to dogs, dog behavior should NEVER be used to interpret coyote behavior. Big, big difference between a species which has undergone thousands of years of domestication and a coyote (or wolf).

I'm glad you didn't come to any harm.
 
Trent, you are probably right about that. A Irish Wolf hound right?

Correct. One-on-one a Coyote would be no match for him. But coyotes don't fight one-on-one. If my wolfhound runs off after one, I'm going to be close behind with an AR or a shotty, because he might be in serious trouble in short order. The packs of yotes around here number 20+, and they're often the size of German shepherds or Siberian huskies.

Like others have mentioned, I suspect they've been crossbreeding with domestics as they're quite large and muscular around here. They haven't taken down humans but they've gone after dogs and livestock close to homes.

Some anecdotal reports I've read from the field; 4-6 yotes cornered a bowhunter in his stand;

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1367314

Family dog attacked;
http://herald-review.com/news/local...cle_dcd32f58-7157-5e39-a566-9c1d1ae4696b.html

Another dog killed;
http://www.illinoishomepage.net/story/d/story/coyote-kills-family-pet/13660/dwBrRweuiEOmMripwipS4Q

Coyotes break through glass door attacking 3 dogs;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/coyotes-break-door-trying_n_2558737.html

Another dog attacked in Glenview;

http://glenview.suntimes.com/news/coyote-GLA-01022014:article

And so on... there's been a LOT of coyote attacks in the news, mostly on small dogs.. but sooner or later it'll be on a small child.

Some public education;

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110130/news/701309969/

Protecting your pet

But you have to take Fido out, you say. Yes. If you have a small breed, however, you must take extra precaution when, where and how you let the dog out. A small dog in a yard bordered by an invisible electric fence is a meal waiting to be eaten. An old-fashioned fence is a better choice -- not foolproof, as a coyote can easily climb over a fence, but it is at least a deterrent. There are roll bars that can be added to a fence to prevent unwanted guests from coming in.

(That bolded line made me chuckle a little given the size of my dogs)
 
My friends that rent cabins have these beasts. They constantly preyed on their animals, until they got a brace of dogs called "Akbash" or something like that. They are the largest dog I have ever seen, are all white and look like a polar bear. Totally wastes any and all coyotes. It can not be underrated how large these dogs are. I have never seen one injured. You heard coyote yelps, they take off like rockets. They come back. Over and over.

Russellc
 
Some good info on Coyote attacks, the history of, the severity of, some reasons why and how to prevent.

http://www.urbancoyoteresearch.com/Coyote_Attacks.htm

I've been roaming the woods that contained 'yoyes for 50 years. Many times alone and unarmed. For many years it was as a young kid while bowhunting in pre-dawn/post-dark scenarios. I live in an area now where I regularly see/hear 'yotes and cross their tracks many times when walking the dog on the road that passes by our house. Never have I thought I would need more than a hatchet and a knife for protection against them. Facts show that attacks by 'yotes on humans are extremely rare and most times, even when young children are the target, wounds are mostly superficial and minor. In most cases where 'yotes have lost their fear of man it is because man themselves have contributed. While one needs to be aware and prepared anytime they intrude upon wild animals in their home turf, IMHO, the risk from a 'yote attacking and doing major harm to an adult human is so remote that it really is a moot point.

A while back on this or another similar forum, there was a member that posted a picture of a Mountain Lion that supposedly his buddy took only yards from the members deer stand. Prior to deer season the member expressed strong concerns about his safety. Then during deer season the member make several posts about sounds and movement in the woods that surely was the cougar stalking him in his deer stand, and how many precautions he was taking because of the huge risk he was exposed to. Imagine his red face when another member posted the pic was taken by a neighboring state's DNR a good 400 miles from the hunters hunting property. While this member had a very great and real fear for his safety, it was all self-inflicted because of his buddies prank. I'm not saying GS should not continue to be prepared while walking at night alone on public land where both 4 legged and 2 legged predators roam. What I am saying is that the anecdotal accounts here do little to make me fear 'yotes any more now than before. I am only speaking for myself, am not criticizing others and others are free to feel differently.
 
I lived in, and hunted in SD for about 6 years and never saw all that many yotes. Winters must be very hard on them, their mortality rate must be rather high.



South Dakota has PLENTY of coyotes, and winters don't seem to affect them much at all from what I've noticed (lifelong resident of 37 years)
 
I'm now slinging a 12 ga. over my shoulder, which I do sometimes, but I should be carrying it always during those late night walks. The time it takes to insert my hearing protection could be the one deciding factor between getting bit and having to go through the whole rabies vaccination process, or not.

Been there, done that nearly 30 yrs. ago when I managed to jam a coyote tooth into the palm of my hand while skinning it. I couldn't get the head into the county health dept quick enough to get a positive determination on the brain, so the result was an expensive, painful, and some what risky vaccination process. At the time, and this year is no exception, our county always has some level of a rabies epidemic in effect.

GS
 
Trent - what breed of hound is that? (not to go off topic but nice pooch!)
:cool:

ETA: Oops, someone mentioned Irish wolfhound.
 
Coyotes have survived this long because they are adaptable. What we knew to be immutable fact about them 20 years ago is no longer true. As we expand human civilization further into areas once "safe havens" for animals, including coyotes, they must either adapt or die. Coyotes, in particular, will adapt. This means, expressly, that behavior will change.
 
You bet he is. I had coyotes howling just a few yards from my house, around my pond. I opened the door so the wife could hear them, and she almost jumped out of her skin. "There must be hundreds of them!"

She didn't believe me when I said there were only two, and they were courting.;)
 
They are definitely adapting. I would be wary. They can be aggressive here in eastern NC. I think they are red wolf/coyote crossbreeds.
 
When I was in Boy Scouts....long ago...one of the other boys was lagging behind one night and was surrounded by yotes. All he had was a lighter, he took off his shirt and lit it on fire, then proceeded to scream and yell. He caught up to us a few minutes later white as a ghost with his shirt all burned up.
 
When I was in Boy Scouts....long ago...one of the other boys was lagging behind one night and was surrounded by yotes.
I wish they'd do that to me sometime -- my Colt Woodsman could use a workout.

My brother, who lives in Elgin, Texas, tells about seeing coyotes around a barn he passes on his way to work in Pflugerville. They just seemed to congregate there.

Later he found the police had discovered a woman's body in there -- a murder victim the killer had dumped in the barn.
 
I've yet to encounter a coyote that wasn't terrified of a human but around here they get shot at a lot. Strange dogs still pose more of a threat from what I've seen and that's in urban and suburban areas.

That being said it doesn't seem impossible by any means. They are canines and behave as such usually. Some are interested by humans until they get shot at a few times.

HB
 
Here's an old trail cam pic of a strange looking yote. Looks to me like something more than yote in him, but I could be wrong. This reminds me I need to set my cams back out...

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I had a German Short Hair Pointer for 15 years that never once lost a fight with any animal. When he was alive, sure do miss him too, he had killed a number of coyotes over the years. When we first bought our land out in the boon docks, he would go out and roam each night, we knew the risk, but he had proven himself as being very capable in this respect. We had seen him in action against a badger, he didn't win that one, but both of them mutually gave up the fight, he ran deer down, got into a major scuffle with 5 Oryx and got tossed into the air about 10' or 15'', I had to pepper the Oryx with bird shot, I was quail hunting, to break up the fight, and he once killed a raccoon when he was out numbered 2 to 1, and a number of other similarly outrageous events.

I remember when we first moved in we heard a horrible commotion right out side our bedroom window, I grabbed my SG and ran outside to find 3 yotes trying to take him down. I couldn't get a shot off without risking hitting my dog, so I let it play out unless opportunity presented. When it ended one yote was down, his throat was ripped out and he was bleeding profusely, another was limping off and acting like he was chasing his tail, I shot him. The third yote ran off, nothing unusual indicating he was hurt. My dog continued to pursue the runner, to which I heard a lot of fighting several minutes later, obviously that was when "Duke" caught up to him. I found that one the next morning a couple hundred yards away, dead! The down yote was dead by the time everything ended. The one that acted like he was chasing his tail had a massive chunk of his hind leg pulled right off the bone.

That dog was the king of our land, nothing, and I mean nothing ever defeated him, he was my hero and will be so missed. Every time my boys and I get together around a camp fire, we tell stories of our wonderful "Duke". But I now know why those dogs were originally bred for hunting Red Deer, they know how to kill another animal efficiently and fast.

One of my Son's bought another that is of the same blood line, and he is almost a carbon copy of Duke, in personality and abilities, as he too has defended himself and his domain with the same type of no non sense methodology.

As for my condition, I do have a slight limp, and I stop walking every couple hundred yards to rest that leg, and I'm only a 120 lb. man. So I guess I looked like an easy meal.

GS
 
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Your post GS brought back many good memories of walkin' up behind a good GSP on staunch point. Hunted with and bred them for a good many years before moving on to their cold weather/water hardier cousins the GWPs. My dogs tho, were all at a disadvantage when it came to fighting with coon, 'yotes or other dog breeds because of their short, rounded, bird dog teeth. Other critters had teeth designed for rippin' and slashin' whereas most of my dog's heredity gave them mouths better suited for pickin' up game without maiming it. They were also slow, so unlike their faster cousins, they had little luck runnin' down game like deer or 'yotes. Not their fault, just a characteristic of the breed. Many claim it comes from the bloodhound in their genes, some say it's cause they use foot/ground scent to find game instead of airborn scent....dunno. I do know their slowness is why they were never as popular as setters or English pointers on the field trial circuit where time was a factor. But for a single hunter or two in the field they were much easier to keep close. Like all continental breed dogs, working close and he ability of pointing, trailing, tracking and retrieving game for the hunter on foot is why they were bred. Best GSP I had was a big male that came from field stock and went maybe 75 lbs. Ziggy was a 'ell of a bird dog and over the years taught me more about quail, woodcock and pheasants than I ever taught him. The good ones never live long enough. Thanks for the flashback.
 
Well, although Duke came from champion stock, he was the absolute worst bird dog I have ever had. He weighed 55 lbs. during bird season, and would put on another 8-10 lbs. during the off season. He had an amazing ability to find and point birds, but it was after the shot that his apparent bird hunting skills took a nose dive. Some dogs have a hard mouth, some not enough hold, but Duke, well, lets just say any bird he brought back, and he did bring them all back, but the birds would always have the guts squirting out both ends. I spent nearly 3K trying to fix his mouth problem, to no avail. So Duke evolved into our family pet, to which he was the best, most loyal and protective dog I've ever had.

Buck460xvr, do a quick Google about the origin of the GSHP, and you'll see that they were, in fact, originally bred to hunt Red Deer, and they were much larger dogs, like 120+ lbs.. Apparently my Duke never got the right gene during the down breeding process, to remove that taste for deer hunting. But I didn't care, in the end he became my best friend, and a member of the family. BTW, he died hunting quail, his heart just quit on him.

GS
 
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