After sending back three tumblers that were DOA I still do not have a tumbler. I have been cleaning my cases with a mix of dawn, lestoil, and lemon juice but I do not like the way they are coming out so I am just going to build me a tumbler of some sort. Here is what I have here at the house that I can use. I have an old all in one printer/scanner that the belt on the scanner broke on that also doesn't work on Windows 8 so we don't use the printer part either, have a old portable printer that no longer prints ether. Nothing have good motors and roller rods I can use that still work. I have a 2# coffee can that holds 3/4 of a gallon of water, I have some 2 1/2 buckets but they are square and the 5 gallon buckets would probably be to big for the motors. Might be able to salvage a bigger motor and some wheels out of the junk pile out back but I would want to wait till it is below 55 outside to mess around in that pile. Between snakes and wasp not a good idea this time of year to be digging around that pile of junk. I bought some more dawn and picked up some limishine the other day to try it out but I do not know how much to use. So for you DIY guys and gals please school me on how I can make something out of what I have to work with that will clean and polish my brass without spending a bunch of money and trips returning DOA tumblers to the store. Oh I do have some Frankfort Arsenal brass polish that goes in dry media too but have not used it since no tumbler.