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help on proof mark on 1913 bayonet

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UpTheHill

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I just bought a Winchester 97 trench gun with bayonet.
the shotgun's serial number has it's birth in 1924.
the bayonet is marked
1913
4 17
Remington
on one side and a proof mark on the other side

what proof mark is this?

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bayonet-right_zps1c5283b7.gif

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TIA,
 
British broad arrow acceptance stamp.

Not sure what the C7A stands for.
Probably the inspectors mark.

At any rate I would say Remington made it to go to England with a P1914 rifle they also made.

rc
 
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That's a British-contract bayonet that Remington made for the Pattern '14 rifles that they were also making for the British. The "1913" is the model year of the bayonet and the "4 17" is the month of actual manufacture. On the other side is the British acceptance mark which includes the "Broad Arrow."

These bayonets are identical to the U.S. M1917's except for the markings. When the U.S. entered the war and took over the British contracts, some of these bayonets had the Broad Arrow mark crossed out and a "U.S." overstamped. Later production had only the U.S. markings.

Any of these bayonets (identified by the two transverse grooves in the grips) will fit the British Pattern '14 rifles, the U.S. M1917 rifles, and various combat shotguns. The same design of bayonet was also produced during the Vietnam era, with Parkerized metal and checkered black plastic grips. (Those were intended for the combat shotguns.)

The scabbard shown is the standard U.S. M1917 scabbard. There were also other types of transitional scabbards, and a plastic scabbard that was introduced during WW2 and was also used for the Vietnam-era production.

ETA: I was writing this at the same time as rcmodel. He posted while I was still writing. Great minds think alike.
 
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FWIW, the British adopted the .276 Enfield caliber Pattern 1913 rifle in that year, along iwth the Pattern 1913 bayonet. But with war approaching they decided not to change caliber and adopted the .303 Pattern 1914. But the bayonet was not changed and remained the Pattern 1913 bayonet. As noted above, the same bayonet, designated the Model 1917 bayonet, was made for the U.S. Model 1917 rifle.

Actually, the U.S. did not take over the British contracts; those contracts had been completed before the U.S. entered the war. The U.S. did issue new contacts, then worked with the contractors to convert the P-14 tooling to make the rifle in .30-'06 caliber. That rifle became the Model 1917.

Jim
 
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