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Don't worry, Krochus, I don't think he's got anything to respond with, so back to your regularly scheduled program. I just find it highly annoying when these guys go out of their way to invent crap about the 6.5 Grendel when they're supposed to be defending the 6.8. I think the psychological...

Please leave the 6.5 Grendel out of this, unless you actually know what you're talking about. I follow these things pretty closely and, while I'm willing to have you quote me exactly where I'm wrong, I believe neither velocities nor chamber specs nor pressures for the 6.5 Grendel have changed...

17poundr, I believe the 6.5 Grendel was first announced in the American gun press in a Shotgun News article by David Fortier in September 2003. Also, I hadn't heard of any 6.5 Grendel setting a record at 600 meters. Could you please provide an independently verifiable source for that bit of...

Shootin' machine guns and blowin' stuff up! Some guys get all the fun! John

Valid concerns, Jim, but I think they can be addressed. If the 6x42 were to be a serious contender, I'd develop an FMJ with the same exterior shape or form factor as the 6mm 95 SMK. Then the military would have an FMJ and an OTM, similar to M855 and Mk262. I don't think military use prohibits...

A 6x42 based on the .222 case is a beautiful little cartridge. Too good, in fact, to have been overlooked (Bill Alexander, Stan Crist, and others, I'm sure, have done it or proposed it). Sierra's relatively new 6mm 95gr SMK would be a perfect match. You'd have to calculate, however, whether a...

Tod, if you're looking for 6.5mm FMJs, I believe Norma has a 120, although it's BC is fatter than it should be, sort of like a 120 SMK. John

Yes, the 6.5 Grendel gives great deer-hunting capability to the AR. Cabela's (and, I would think, anyone else who sells Wolf) has the Wolf 6.5 Grendel hunting load. The following charts compare match bullets, but they provide some food for thought. Hunters would be most concerned with the...

Can we debate the validity of the "studies"? In other words, do these studies truly invalidate aimed small arms fire? If a study shows that casualties are as much the result of random shell fragments as aimed small arms fire, does that tell the whole picture? I don't think so, because consider...

I reread Chieftain's posts and I think this is his position: I think it's great to examine an issue from all sides, to get the input from all players (because no one person sees the whole "elephant"), but when everyone's had a chance to say their peace, I think you gotta come to a conclusion...

I have absolute proof that shooting "blindly" through walls is effective! :evil: Didn't everybody see Saving Private Ryan whereby our guy gets shot in the neck after the German shoots "blindly" through the wall? :D Seriously, if we agree that almost all infantry firefights take place at less...

Correct. It's a "set it and forget it"-type deal (or, in this case, an "unlock it and forget it" deal). John

Eight, I've got a Sako 75 in 7mm-08 with the key. The mechanism is metal and doesn't rattle. Though it doesn't affect function at all, I don't like it, because it's just another extra part that I, personally, feel is useless. But I just set it to be permanently unlocked and I don't ever have to...

Anyone know who makes this Nosler brass? Is it one of the "quality" makers? Or is it a "standard" maker who is just "trying harder"? John

Salty, there are more 6.5 Grendel products than expensive, high-end competition rigs. Click here for Alexander Arms Website. A Tactical 16 upper is $589. Wolf Ammunition 6.5 Grendel reloadable brass-cased is $10.77 per box of 20. If you want to get into an intermediate caliber for the AR that...

Off the top of my head, I believe the Boers in South Africa used it effectively against the British, but they were generally skilled shots, having practical experience on moving targets with African game. Also, the Spanish used the 7mm 175gr round-nose against Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders in...

I have NOT confirmed these velocities personally and I AM using AA data. If a preponderence of data indicates the velocities are "optimistic," I'll revise the chart. However, consider an article by David Fortier in the May 21, 2007, issue of Shotgun News titled "More Punch for Your AR." Out of...

Deer Hunter and GunTech: Please note that all velocities are from 16" barrels, including the 7.62 M80. I usually compare the 6.5 Grendel to 7.62 NATO M118LR with its 175gr Sierra MatchKing. Thus, I usually end up comparing Black Hills Ammunition 6.5 Grendel 123 SMK to Black Hills 7.62 M118LR...

Evil, would your opinion change if the "unified cartridge," while as compact as an assault rifle cartridge, delivered much of the capability of the GPMG cartridge? Consider the attached graphs: If not the 6.5 Grendel, then maybe the 6.5x45 mentioned above. At any rate, I...

Never were truer words spoken, er, written! John