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    It's been a while. I was wondering if anyone had anything new to add to the discussion. I came across the 225 JAWS micro mag recently. I'm not sure if it was mentioned earlier. I still like the idea of 6mm better than 5.56, but I think I'm in the minority there. And in this case, I am...
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    I'm not sure I am 100% in agreement there. From a 10" barrel 22WMR comes in around 276 fpe. 5.7 is about 390 in the same. About 41% higher. Standard 9mm in a 4" barrel is around 390 fpe and 357 mag is around 550 the same 41% greater. No one would argue 9mm is effectively a 357. I was unaware...
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    There was 4 pages of condescending comments that caused my reply. If it would be helpful for you I can identify which comments I took offense to. But I assume you could figure it out. Here is an opinion that I don't want to be glazed over. Your opinion is that Automag and Super Carry are...
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    Your rebutal sounds great, but you didn't answer the question. Why hasn't there been a 50kpsi pistol before? If we knew the designs, the materials, and the chemistry, why didn't we do it? You are entitled to your opinion. But please let everyone know it is just an opinion. As for your...
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    I agree that 6ARC performance in a grip borne magazine would be great, but I don't think that is the goal. The goal is better than 5.7x28, 30 Super Carry, and 9mm. Better being some combination of longer distance to transonic, higher energy, or higher penetration. 9mm Win Mag necked to 6, 6.5...
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    I guess I am more interested in the theoretically discussion. I don't have the funds to take a product like this into mass production and I definitely don't think it would be worth my time or money as a custom. Unless something comes along in the future that would be an inexpensive mod. I'm...
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    I appreciate your time. I know I am the less knowledgeable here and I'm enjoying learning my way through it. It seems like the low pressure is what is killing the 6AE. Is that a product of the case or the gun shooting it? Because the 243 WESSM would be fine by me. They look to be about the...
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    That is showing roughly an 80 grain 3-S spitzer. Capacity I could only guess, because I don't have a cutaway of the 50 AE.
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    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/10/15/pdw-crye-patent/ 300 BLK in a pistol grip mag.
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    Or between 256 win mag and 300 action express
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    Was just doing this math again... Supposing the goal was to beat the 5.56 for distance to subsonic. 55gr @3050fps in 16.5" tube makes it roughly 700yds. 80gr 6mm @2790 makes it roughly 715yds. That's about 37% more than 256 win mag and 15% less than 6mm PPC. 6mm PPC is 2.1 overall 25% longer...
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    I think 2.25" is too long to fit in a pistol grip. But also I guess 7.5 FK is a thing. 100gr @ 2000fps. 1.35" overall. I still think there is something halfway between that and 221 fireball / 256 Win Mag. 6mm 90-100 gr @ 2500 (16" barrel) at 1.65" overall.
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    30 Super Carry. Flatter shooting than 9mm or 380? Moving in the right direction. But still not as good as the Furyized 6mm ARC Short.
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    Went down this rabbit whole again today. Some things I've learned.... There have been some other PDW cartridges developed in the past. Three new ones I found today were the 5.56x30mm MARS, 9x30mm MARS, and 9x30mm GROM. The first was developed by Colt and was s 5.56 shorted to 30mm. Beat the 5.7...
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    That info is above my pay grade
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    I don't think much will happen with the micro action either. I just enjoyed the thought of it. If I win the lotto I'll make it happen. I have a 30 Bellm contender barrel. Maybe 10" Does fine on whitetail in my opinion. I would put the Ruger LC carbine in 5.7 in the same category as the CMR-30
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    ... or .277 and call it the SPC ;) I would prefer the 6mm, but I would take the rimless 357/44 Bain & Davis over the 5.7x28, but I don't think a 6.8 SPC is fitting in a pistol grip.
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    Tungsten powder bullets help SD and function at a larger range of velocities. And that wouldn't necessarily be a requirement. 55gr plinker rounds could be traditional and 75gr tungsten core could be long range/hunting rounds. If I'm dreaming, might as well make the tungsten round two piece fury...
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    I didn't think it would be a great universal tool. But I think there is room to improve on the 5.7x28 carbine. 6x35 has 55% more energy. I'm curious about the Sig 2 piece case. If it can add 15% that would put 6x35 in a more useful range https://www.cartridgecollector.net/6-x-35mm-tswg...
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    Self-defense and defending yourself from court are two different things. If someone and trying to kill me and I shoot them first I might go to prison, but I'm alive. According to our legal system the right thing for you to do in some situations is be killed. 6.5 CM as a first and only gun? Why...
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