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Someone who wants to listen. Wow....... I will get round to this. But it isn't simplistic. It may very well be the longest post ever on this board. Bear with me.

Anyone who thinks that is what I am saying needs to learn to read. in the context of the question posed by standin Wolf there is no evidence this mob were armed i:e that they used their imitation handgun to rob anyone. This sidetracking is beyond pathetic. I post again: This little...

Again, you assume, with no evidence, a causal connection between the two...... You are a true-believer. No point in continuing this I think........

This is the point you are ignoring. Don't worry, I fully understand why.......

No, restricting access to firearms will deter criminals. Not all, but some. Criminals who want guns will get them, but even they will find it hard. Thats why so many are commited with replicas. And most of the time the guns contain no more than 3 bullets. The sea change is on the criminals...

Care to give an example? Or is this simply what it appears, an ad hominem?

No that is precisely what I am not saying. What I am saying is that guncrime is being fuelled by something else. And it is not the gun laws. Banning handguns hasn't caused criminals to pick up guns because we are defenceless. And banning handguns wont stop criminals using them if they want to...

England and Wales is NOT the UK. The UK is England, Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. Nice to see you ignored the point about different effects in different places of the gun law. What I expected really.......

Again, you are ignoring the context of the discussion: This little sidetrack began like this: Posted by standing wolf Are you saying that SW is saying a single American armed with a metal pipe would have stopped a gang of 15-20 yobs, also armed with metal pipes? Or is he referring to...

You are presupposing a connection between the two. And gun crime in "The UK" is not up. In Scotland it has almost halved since the handgun ban. Exactly the same gun laws give a different result. Why? Because the rise in gun crime and violent crime is nothing to do with the gun laws. Which...

There is no evidence in the link provided that this gang carried out robberies with the imitation firearm. Fact. Being found in possesion of a metal pipe is not being armed. I couldn't arrest someone for that. A knife is an offensive weapon. We classify armed criminals as having guns...

I see. What your saying is you aren't interested in alternative viewpoint. What you want on here is a big circle jerk with your friends about how gun control doesn't work. Obviously I know nothing about my country, culture or history. You know better. Fine.

Oooo nice dodge. We have someone claiming without evidence this mob were armed, so you get into the semantics of what arms" means. Right, now I understand what true believer syndrome is.........

Most criminals like that are off thier faces on drugs. What sems reasonable behaviour to you or me doesn't apply. Changing the drug laws would have a far greater effect on violent crime than repealing our gun laws.

Not the same as being armed is it? the context of the exchange is quite clearly referring to guns. Is trying to change the meaning of words the best you can do? Or does your second amendment say "right to bear metal pipes shall not be infringed"?

They carried AN imitation handgun. There is no mention if this was actually used in any of the attacks. And AN imitation handgun is very different to having 15-20 real ones.......

Sounds great, but judging by the mentality of a hell of a lot of the people I arrest everyday, the theory falls down in reality. Most of them wouldn't bat an eyelid. When your a wolf you NEED to hunt.......

And if the mob of 15 or 20 had all been armed too?

No one has ever claimed "bad things wont happen". Again, a lot of fuss and nonsense over strawmen. That depends on what you think the expected good was? And compared to what? That crime would disappear? That guncrime would vanish? Again, compared to what? When Britian had strict gun...

Who on here has argued that? What gives you any reason to believe that's what non-Americans think? And what makes you think that we thought gun control would stop crime? We have laws against speeding, do you think we thought no-one would ever speed again? Bizarre....... Nice anecdote...