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But sadly, they make the people who said about CCW "Blood will flow in the streets" and "It'll turn the streets into the wild west" say I told you so.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/09/road_rage-related_shootout_lea.html Road rage-related shootout leaves two dead in Ionia, police say IONIA, MI - Two men died Wednesday, Sept. 18, in a shootout that stemmed from a road rage confrontation, Ionia police said. Ionia...

Isn't that what it was?

The person suggesting this is a councilman? I assume that means a city official. Doesn't KY have a state preemption law?

Are you sure about that? Isn't the federal background check free when you purchase a weapon at a gun store? So how expensive could it be when you are getting a permit?

I'm betting it helps to be polite and professional when pulled over rather than "Whatza matter officer can't you find some old lady to harass ?"

Does NY state and WI use the NICS? If so then if you failed in NY you would fail in WI.

I'll take a shot at it: I carry around the house, does this sound crazy? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok guys I carry a gun around the house. Well, when my better half's sister found out you would have thought I was loaded for bear all...

I assume you've had to interact with him since that time in social settings. That must be awkward. "Hey remember that time that I almost had to shoot you?"

I apologize. I was venting after having a thread in Strategies locked with that comment. I had looked for the subject I had posted and had no luck finding it. I was kind of annoyed by the lack of help locking the thread did me.

This one's been discussed here before. (locked & loaded)

...and the citizen wins! I's sure like to hear from the citizen on this one. I wonder where he was carrying his gun? And I wonder how he got the advantage on the carjacker who appeared to have the advantage at the beginning. Does anyone think the citizen should have stopped shooting sooner...

Same here; I always buy them two at a time.

FWIW it's 'case in point'

FWIW its a moot point

Doesn't the stamping go on the primer, not the case?

What type of business was this? I assume you weren't eating at a desk or some type of counter that you could have used for cover.

It looked like a great way to take the gun away from what I saw. And to those mentioning that the perp shouldn't have stuck the barrel so close to his face, I know you aren't really trying to give tactical advice to the bad guys out there. (hopefully there aren't any bad guys reading this...

Any idea if the bad guy who took the shots survived? He appeared to be still thrashing around at the end, which is surprising.

The best that people come up with is 'ear' witnesses who say they heard more than 3 shots and/or shots from different directions than the TBDB. But for anyone that has ever deer hunted before we all know how hard it is to tell which of our neighbors just shot at a deer. Plus the echos in a...