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I can say that I have fired a few rounds out of the SCAR H, and I was not super impressed. Idk if the gun would have been better if I took the the to set it up for me, but I just didnt care for it after a few hundred rounds and moved on. Also, its pretty rough on optics...

Good info. I have experience with the M1a I think its a good rifle. Im interested to see how the Smith and Wesson works out.

What is condition zero? I've never heard of that....

5.7 is garbage... The LEA's that have been involved in OIS's with that weapon have ditched it in favor of 5.56's all day long. I know of no military or NGO that carries that weapon for any reason. But believe what you will...

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You got one part right... What science? How can you repeat the experiments? Deer? Realy? Dogs from China? Even better!!! "In addition, bullets that fragment and meet minimum penetration requirements generate higher pressure waves than bullets which do not fragment." 'Nuff...

Your kidding me right? This is a graph of a 3/14 inch STEEL sphere moving at 3000 FPS. HOW IN ANYWAY DOSE THIS APPLY TO HANDGUNS? I should remind you that we are in the HANDGUNS:GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM. I'll help you out... There is no common defensive round made of steel. There is no...

Prove it... Prove it... Prove that it can happen at any reasonable handgun speed. Prove it. If it is so minor, then why are you making such a big deal about it? If it is so rare in handgun velocities and when it dose happen the effects are minor, then I don't get why your undies are in...

From the recomendations in his PDF. "In addition, bullets that fragment and meet minimum penetration requirements generate higher pressure waves than bullets which do not fragment." It sounds to me like he is recommending bullets that fragment. Or am I creating another straw man...

My point is in this whole thing that no one round will make any one give up faster except a CNS hit. I think that some rounds are much louder, and put on a more spectacular show like the .357 mag, or .357 sig. It is my opinion that this accounts for some of the spectacular stops seen. I know...

You have to admit that psychology plays a part in it too. People have been taught to fall when shot from what they see it on TV etc. I think that accounts for a very large number of instant stops.

So I see where you and loosedhorse have an issue with what I said. Perhaps I miss spoke when I said it REQUIRED 12". What I should have said is this: Courtney knows his claims are nothing more than B.S., so he saddles them with a PROVEN criteria. That criteria is the FBI recommendation of a...

I think I have addressed this in my previous post, we can move on when ever your ready.

I'm with you 100% on this one. I feel that the amount of training required to be as proficient with a 1911 platform is more than what would be required of a sig 226. Many people say that this unit or that SWAT team runs the 1911, but they forget to mention that these guys are paid big bucks to...

Mine was a Sig p226 in 9mm. I have shot Glocks all my life, and love them. I picked up the 226 on a whim and shot it a few times. I ran it through the qualification course at the police department I was working for one night and shot a 100% first go round. I was astounded by my group size...

9mm speer gold dot 124gr +p

Wow, just wow dude... That last statement was a real gem. You obviously know a lot more about this stuff then I do so I'll defer to my intellectual superior. Your insight on that incident was eye opening to say the least. ;)

I bet things would have looked a lot differently if he used DRT rounds!!!!:D

I guess for some it's all about speculation huh?

Well in that situation I know for a fact that my friend, who is very real, would have preferred a tank! But just as you state you would like a crew-served, we don't always get what we want. In the end it's all about doing the best we can with the equipment we have on hand.