I have the "Thunderer" 1860 Army ,44cal ,fun gun to shoot. I never had a gun with a Birds Head grip. Not much recoil,not much more than the regular 1860 Army,both with 30gr of Pyrodex,and a round ball. I use my 1860 Army with the 8" to load the cylinders,I have 4 and blast away. I shoot this...