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D**n right....I'm usually humiliated by the experience. But it spurs me on.... And that's how I became the wonder of the shooting world that I am today....:D (just joking...)

A student asked Ayn Rand about the same thing, as to whether or not to hold as truth, strongly, the opinions of others. The issue was whether or not such belief was "second hand" thinking...She replied that it matters not who the originator of truth is, if it bears scrutiny and holds water...

I guess I'd better relax my grip around your throat, as I am evidently forcing you to read and post here...:neener:

Absolutely correct! And I acknowledge that, and I believe I do so earlier in this thread...but the point is to differentiate shooting that encourages skill and that which is just entertainment.... Who was it that said that a wise man seeks enlightenment, while the fool seeks only...

It seems I'm quoting a lot of Cooper here, but I could just as well be quoting the thoughts of Van Zwoll or O'Conner, or Mark Spicer, for that matter...

Fair enough. First, let's define our terms. To "shoot up to your rifle" is not that hard to define. The (master) marksman can shoot, upon demand, to the accuracy of the rifle (as demonstrated from a BENCH REST, or a pistol from a Ransam (sp?) rest, at unknown (but estimated) ranges, under the...

Another absurdity from the lumpen who don't understand the point of the exercise. Some good posts here, but also many who I bet probably drive huge trucks to compensate, just as I believe they "..protesth too much...".

The above post is absurd. Where do you get the "Walter Mitty" daydream B.S., except as an insult. And the "Army of One" Mad Max perjorative is equally absurd, as well as juvenile. Grow up.

Your statement certainly demonstrates no point whatsover, nor any insight supporting your view. As a previous poster with insight quoted, it (group size from a bench) may be interesting, but irrelevent.

Spot on.

I AM SPARTACUS!

You may have something there... I'm lucky enough to be a member of a private club with a 500 meter range. A shoot or a impromtu match might be a good way to 1) learn, or 2) teach, or 3) have an enjoyable experience..(3 of the 4 reason of which I must have to do anything).... Northern...

Where the hell did THAT come from? And why? (Colorado, as if it matters..)

I wonder if you read the thread, especially the initial post. The dichotomy is between shooting on a bench and field marksmanship. Actually you are correct in your assertion that much of marksmanship is entailed in trigger control while maintaining the sight picture. This is akin to saying...

The Constitution clearly states that there should be no titles of nobility in this country. As time goes on, it becomes clear that there are several kinds of justice. The special dispensations regularly handed out to "The King's Men" reeks with the foul odor of a "special class" of people...

You certainly posed some relevent questions for all, especially as we take that slippery ride to a dystopian future. I might suggest Bastiat's "The Law"... www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm He asked these same questions a long time ago and his conclusions have merit today. Other questions...

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

No such thing as too old...I was 35 before I even owned a centerfire rifle. Four years later I won my first service rifle match. Go for it.;)

You're really quite emotional, aren't you? Have you always been so, or did it come on you by degrees?:rolleyes:

It is interesting those responses that seem intentionally to misunderstand. To cite the obvious and make distinctions bothers some people. Well, such is human nature. Shooting from a bench is not useless; a bench can be useful for sighting in a weapon, though even the bench itself introduces...