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I am sure it will be a wildly successful venture. Colleges are full of people who don't want anyone to tell them what to do, and they love their drugs. Unfortunately, most of these kids haven't lived in the real world long enough to think freedom is anything more than not having Mom and Dad...

I actually agree with you about the powers of government. It scares me too. But it would just go so much further in helping the anti-Patriot Act argument if someone could provide examples of actual abuse. I don't doubt the veracity of the possibilities, but without actual examples, the...

Hey Rick, what were the Palmer Raids? I've never heard of those. Can you give us a quick history lesson. BTW, LOVE the signature line! :D

I know exactly what happened to Machiavelli. Care to share how that may or may not apply to this discussion? (P.S. Pay cash Tamara, unless you are nervous about those GPS micro tracking strips the feds have woven into the new bills these days....)

Fine. Name ANYBODY whose rights were lost in the big Ashcroft Concentration Camp Roundup Jubilee, academically known as the Patriot Act. Hopefully, you will be smarter than a few folks and choose someone OTHER than an admitted terrorist and traitor. You can't run around and say your...

Sure they do....in a Libertarian Utopia. I'm not saying I disagree with you philosophically, but in the real world, things are decidedly different. As for the moron comment, I don't take it personally. Naturally, I think I am right, or else I wouldn't have bothered to write it. But we...

Dave, I used the link you gave me but all I saw was an analysis of the proposed bill and not the actual text. I had some trouble with my Adobe reader. It was 120 pages worth. Was the text of the bill included later on in the .pdf?

No offense, Dave, but I'd like to see the actual text of the law instead of the analysis of a group who opposes it. Not questioning anyone's integrity or motives, but again, I want to sort through the fluff and bluster.

Are we talking about the Patriot/Victory Act, or are we talking about metal detectors at airports? Some of those conveniences are pretty important to us and we should work hard to keep them, and elect people who will do the same thing. But let's not confuse what they are. They are...

I don't have to drive, and you don't have to fly. Both are conveniences and not rights.

Boy, I just read five articles on the Victory Act after a quick search on the web, and nowhere does it say anything about the ability to strip someone of their United States citizenship. And these articles were fairly critical. Why would they not list something so drastic and offensive as one...

I would argue that Freedom from Inconvenience is not anywhere in the Constitution. If I have to sit in traffic for an hour because of road construction, it does not mean that my civil liberties have been taken away. Likewise, if you have to go through additional security measures at the...

You guys really need to come up with a better poster boy than Mike Hawash for hating Ashcroft and the P.A. Hawash had the best defense attorney (Stephen Houze) in Portland. Hands down the best. His attorney saw him constantly, when he wasn't mugging for the cameras talking about what a...

First, to address Jim... Since I live in Oregon, I've got a pretty good handle on the case of Mike Hawash, the Intel guy. He was arrested and held on a material witness warrant. That was perfectly legal and not part of the Patriot Act. Turns out he pled guilty to all charges. All the...

I had the chance to meet him in college and I have a couple of his books. I don't agree with much he has to say, but he is indeed an eloquent writer. I certainly respect that. On the other hand, an eloquent mouthpiece for terrorists and murderers doesn't exactly help the peace process.

I see you quoted my post, but didn't bother to read it. I said SPECIFIC examples of how you have been denied your rights by the Patriot Act. Unless dealing drugs or selling bombs, or travelling to a country to fight against American troops was somehow legal before, you really haven't given any...

Ahhhhh.....I LOVE the smell of Class Warfare in the morning. Smells like....Victory!

So specifically, what freedoms or constitutionally afforded rights have you lost since the Patriot Act was signed into law? C'mon now...I want specific examples of freedoms and rights YOU have lost as a result. We can sit here all day long, adjusting our tinfoil and talking about library...