Buy the 617. When you get around to buying the 686, it will be like shooting the same gun, just with more recoil.
(Although personally, I'd buy a 17 and a 19...oh wait, I already did. :D )
I paid $150 out the door for my last Magnum Wingmaster in good shape. Paid ~$240 OTD for my like new 20 gauge LC Magnum Wingmaster. Paid ~$90 OTD for my rough 16 gauge Wingmaster. Not hard to find them cheap and in good shape around here(though $125 IS less than they normally go for)
I would agree that not many gunsmiths will have the equipment to check the frame or barrel for straightness, but the yoke is another matter. The tool is $50 and readily available. A nylon wedge is $15 or so IIRC, or one can be made using hardwood(or nylon if you have a block of it).
Checking...
The guys over on the S&W forum use a place called Fords. I haven't dealt with them. Ask over there for more info. http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve
Refinishing a gun generally doesn't do much for the value.
*Shakes head*
A lightweight J frame is about the worst choice to put a new shooter's hands. It's small(more recoil), hard to grip, hard to aim, and certainly doesn't have the best trigger. None of those help to hit the target. The primary use won't be carry, so there isn't any need for a small...
I really doubt either one will go away any time soon. The .45 Colt was brought back by cowboy action shooters. The .44 mag is realistically about the upper limit on what most folks can tolerate with regard to recoil. .44 Mag ammo is generally stocked just about everywhere, .45 Colt not so much.
typical pattern spread is once inch per yard. Ten yards would mean a 10" pattern. At ten feet, the pattern won't be much larger than the diameter of the shot charge when it left the barrel. A 12 gauge loaded with birdshot will remove flesh and bone at that distance. Farther out, nope.
So, um, did you come by that screen name naturally? :neener:
I found a Colt 1903 in a pawn shop a few days ago. Made in 1928 and still easily will put all eight on a man size target at ~40 yards. :D
500 Security
Aluminum receiver
loose fit
cast barrels
screwed in mag tube
IIRC, plastic trigger group
870P
Steel receiver
Forged, one piece barrel
Brazed in mag tube
metal trigger group
Very few people in this thread seem to have any clue about manufacturing or machining. I've worked in...
Yep, several of us on another forum got together at a local range today and burned some ammo. Lots of full auto stuff, suppressors, a barrett 50, and at least one SBS. I shot a full auto AK today. :D
LOL.... Several guys at the small shop where I work got conned into buying Jiminez 9mm's. I know one of those guns wouldn't fire 2 consecutive shots without jamming. They're junk.
High point on the other hand, is actually reliable from what I hear and my wife's stepmom's 9mm has never jammed...
Come work in a machine shop, stamping shop, or molding shop.
Some manufacturers prices are ludicrous, others are pretty reasonable. IMO, the ludicrous prices exist because people drink XXX flavor koolaid.
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