hey guys, i have a 10/22 that was dropped. bought it that way. i cut 4 " off the origonal factory barrel, and re crowned it. it will shoot a 2-3" group at around 50 yards. would it be worth it to get a new barrel, one of the bull barrel desings? was wondering how they work, and which ones are better than the others. i have seen some pckage deals that have the barrel and new stock in one deal. thses seem to be mostly adams and bennet, or green mountain. are these kits any good? what kinda accuracy do these kits get? wanna make a good purchase. thanks guys, brian
10/22 replacement barrels. worth it?
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Badger Arms
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Just make sure you have at least 16" of barrel, otherwise you'd HAVE to get a new barrel.
If you gun shoots that good of groups at 50 yards, chances are that you won't see a significant improvement with a bull barrel. I'd stick with what you have.
If you gun shoots that good of groups at 50 yards, chances are that you won't see a significant improvement with a bull barrel. I'd stick with what you have.
I`ve a Lothar Walther bull that Clark Custom on my 10-22 years ago. It will, on a calm day, avg .6" shooting 5rd groups for a box of ammo easily with Wolf Match or Federal Gold Metal. I`m sure better ammo would srink that another tenth or so.
krs
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Absolutely worth it. I've got one of the first popular "bull" barrels on a 10/22 that will shoot 1/2" groups or better at 50 yards any old time, and I'm not one to exaggerate grouping ability in a rifle at all.
It really amazed me when I put that rifle together - who'd have thought a $79. rifle could shoot like that?!?
It really amazed me when I put that rifle together - who'd have thought a $79. rifle could shoot like that?!?
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wally
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Absolutely!
Check out my results for a ~$100 upgrade.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=131138
--wally.
Check out my results for a ~$100 upgrade.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=131138
--wally.
Butler Creek BBL and Hogue Stock shrunk my groups significantly
more info can be had at
www.rimfirecentral.com
more info can be had at
www.rimfirecentral.com
FlyinBryan
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i got a green mountain stainless barrel for 100 bux at the gunshow.
before it would shoot 1.5-2" groups
now it will shoot 1/4-1/2" pretty easily.
these are all 5 shot groups. you decide.
before it would shoot 1.5-2" groups
now it will shoot 1/4-1/2" pretty easily.
these are all 5 shot groups. you decide.
The main reason that the replacement barrels shoot better is that they have what's called a Bentz chamber, which is sort of a compromise between the long sporter chambers on factory barrels and target chambers on bolt action target rifles. They are made so that the bearing surface of the bullet just kisses the rifling. One disadvantage is that some ammo in some barrels can't be ejected without firing. Also, in many cases, the first shot, which is of course chambered by hand, will be out of the group of shots chambered by the firing cycle.
I had been using Eley subsonic hollow points in my squirrel gun, which has a Volquartsen carbon fiber tension barrel. They grouped the best, but the first shot was typically 1/2" or more out, usually high and right, and the chambered round can't be ejected by hand. My procedure was, load the chamber, fire a round into the ground, go hunting. On the way out of the woods, take out the magazine, fire the chambered round into the ground.
I tried a couple of other brands last week, and it looks like the SK subsonic HP is going to be the ammo of choice this year. It shoots nearly as well as the Eley, without the problems. It ejects, and the first shot is closer to the group.
This is 50 yards on a day with a very light breeze.
I also tried RWS, also a subsonic hollow point. It shot pretty well too, but I couldn't eject unfired rounds.
I had been using Eley subsonic hollow points in my squirrel gun, which has a Volquartsen carbon fiber tension barrel. They grouped the best, but the first shot was typically 1/2" or more out, usually high and right, and the chambered round can't be ejected by hand. My procedure was, load the chamber, fire a round into the ground, go hunting. On the way out of the woods, take out the magazine, fire the chambered round into the ground.
I tried a couple of other brands last week, and it looks like the SK subsonic HP is going to be the ammo of choice this year. It shoots nearly as well as the Eley, without the problems. It ejects, and the first shot is closer to the group.
This is 50 yards on a day with a very light breeze.
I also tried RWS, also a subsonic hollow point. It shot pretty well too, but I couldn't eject unfired rounds.
Acera
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onehitwonder
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I had a factory bbl cut down to 16 1/2 " recrowned rechambered and hand lapped, which by the way is necessary when you cut one down, for 120$ shoots .3" groups at 50yards and weights less than factory bbl but looks factory. by the way thats ".3" " groups thats tight enough for me
browningguy
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Factory barrel:
18" Green Mountain fluted bull barrel:
That's with Ely match ammo still using the factory trigger, at 50 yards. Yes they are worth the $110 it cost a couple of months ago.
18" Green Mountain fluted bull barrel:
That's with Ely match ammo still using the factory trigger, at 50 yards. Yes they are worth the $110 it cost a couple of months ago.
Uncle Mike
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Did you say 'Dropped'?
Check the receiver where the barrel slips in and see if the hole is now 'oblonged', if it is, there isn't much that one can do for it.
Toilet paper roll holder...lol
I have bushed these but as cheap as another receiver is, just get a new one.
I shouldn't think the receiver is oblonged if you are getting consistant groups out of it, even if the groups are large.
May be the crown job-
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Check the receiver where the barrel slips in and see if the hole is now 'oblonged', if it is, there isn't much that one can do for it.
Toilet paper roll holder...lol
I have bushed these but as cheap as another receiver is, just get a new one.
I shouldn't think the receiver is oblonged if you are getting consistant groups out of it, even if the groups are large.
May be the crown job-
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Just my 2 cents but the group size can depend a lot on the ammo, trigger pull, & the glass you have on that 10/22. A great barrel with cheap ammo, factory trigger, & a cheap 4x .22 is still going to give you larger groups. If you already have those 3 things covered a match barrel is sure to help!
Floppy_D
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These shots are courtesy of a Shooter's Ridge 18" bull barrel, non-match ammo;
5 shots, 25 yds:
10 shots, 25 yds:
The flyers were my fault.
5 shots, 25 yds:
10 shots, 25 yds:
The flyers were my fault.
Chief-7700
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Butler Creek .920 bull barrel, Bell and Carlson stock, older Weaver T-10 scope 3/8 to 1/2" groups @ 50 yards. This 10-22 had gone through two factory barrels since 1978.
Chief
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Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Just remember if you go "bull"--you'll need a new stock or have to rework the factory stock.
The easiest trigger fix is the VQ hammer---takes about $30 and 10 minutes time---generally gets the trigger in the 3lb range.
The easiest trigger fix is the VQ hammer---takes about $30 and 10 minutes time---generally gets the trigger in the 3lb range.
krs
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I'm not too thrilled with the so-called "Bentz" chambers in .22's and have taken to using a Manson match finish reamer to them in other to rid guns of the first round flyer syndrome. It may lose a slight amount of the accuracy we're getting, but you couldn't prove it by anything I've seen.
I don't know if the Bentz thing is an invention of VQ but it wouldn't surprise me and would follow on my belief that many of their products and ideas cause more trouble than the little good they do. I'm not a fan, in other words.
I once turned a bronze bushing from stock and glued it in to a receiver with AcraGlass that a guy had gotten oblonged by cracking when dropped on it's muzzle from his truck. That rifle is sstill out here in pretty heavy usage. If anything that bronze piece made the gun stronger and more accurate than it had ever been before. Thought about patenting the idea even, some years back.
I don't know if the Bentz thing is an invention of VQ but it wouldn't surprise me and would follow on my belief that many of their products and ideas cause more trouble than the little good they do. I'm not a fan, in other words.
I once turned a bronze bushing from stock and glued it in to a receiver with AcraGlass that a guy had gotten oblonged by cracking when dropped on it's muzzle from his truck. That rifle is sstill out here in pretty heavy usage. If anything that bronze piece made the gun stronger and more accurate than it had ever been before. Thought about patenting the idea even, some years back.
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