1858 remington revolver carbine - WITH SCOPE

[zege]

Hi,

I know this might sound like a blasphemy, but has anyone ever tried to attach a rifle scope to the 1858 remington revolver carbine made by Uberti?

I believe that if some authentic-civil-war-looking scope is attached to it, the whole setup could look (and work!) magnificient However, I have no idea how to attach one to it... Any ideas?

Zege

 

[col.lemat]

scope mounts

wooden blocks and rawhide

 

[4v50 Gary]

The top strap and top of the barrel must be milled to take the scope mount. Both lens must be away from the muzzle, forcing cone or where the percussion caps emit flames.

 

[rio nueces]

Maybe just the top of the barrel, milled dovetails or on blocks if need be.
I like the idea, it would look very good w/ the right long brass scope.
BTW here is a good example of a Uberti '58 carbine. Imagine a correctly proportioned low-mounted scope on it.
http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=128354
Wish I had $400.

 

[tango2echo]

I have been working on just that. The mount I am working on is two pieces and clamps around the frame, forward of the cylinder and behind the loading lever hinge and secures with a single screw. (Imagine a pair of scissors contoured to fit the frame. hinge pin at the top, screw at the bottom) It is cast and contoured to fit the frame precisely. The first one was cast in hard lead for proof of concept, but future ones will be hardcast marine grade brass. I am using a single 1 1/4" wide ring to mount the scope. Which for now is just a 1" OD brass tube about 5" long. This is a back burner project, so don't expect me to produce and sell them in the near future. I will post some pictures whenever I get around to casting the brass one and ordering a compact Leupold 4X pistol scope to go on it. So far, I shot the hard lead one with several hundred rounds of .45LC loads (200gr RNFP over TrailBoss at 775fps) and couldn't shoot it the mount or brass tube loose. The concept I have in mind is a scope that is removable with a single thumb screw and retains zero, that still "looks" "authentic".



T2E

 

[zege]

thank you all for you replies!

tango2echo: if you could post a picture of your work-in-progress, that would be magnificient!

 

[zege]

maybe the scopes and mounts shown here http://winchestersutler.com/BCA_Scope.html could be an inspiration for such a project...

 

[tango2echo]

if you could post a picture of your work-in-progress, that would be magnificient!

Soon as I hear back from the patent office I will. Takes 16 weeks from what I have been told and I am about 4 weeks into that already. Got a custom .338WM on the bench to finish for a guy who's heading to AK that needs to get done before I can get back to "playing". You know this money making thing gets in the way of the fun sometimes.

T2E

 

[Skinny 1950]

I wanted to see what a scope would look like on an 1851 Navy, the scope is not attached but this is what it looks like.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Not a bad (faux) setup Skinny 1950.

 

[zege]

this is something resembling the first idea which occured to me the very first moment I took possession of the carbine...

please excuse the poooooor quality of the picture which has been made in paintbrush (the default painting software included in windows = not very sophisticated..). It consists of a montage of picture of my own carbine and the scope taken from the webpage I recommended above

 

[zege]

http://www.strelectvi.cz/forum/revolver-carbines-1858-1873-by-uberti-t18216.html

here you can have a look at a setup from the Czech Republic

 

[4v50 Gary]

Thank you zege.

 

[goon]

If I'm not mistaken, there are already dovetail slots milled into the frame for the front and rear sight to slide into. Maybe you could make a set of mounts that would slide into those existing dovetails.
That would save screwing up the gun in case you want to sell it later.

 

[ofitg]

It's an interesting idea....

Assuming that you would want to mount the scope rings in the two dovetail slots which already exist in the barrel, and assuming 2 inches eye relief behind the scope, I'm guessing that the scope would have to be about 26 inches long.

The rig might look something like this -

 

[goon]

Would it be better to have the front of the scope back farther behind the muzzle or ahead of it? I'm just wondering what would protect the lens better from fouling and whatnot.
Gotta admit I know nothing about scoping a BP gun with a period type scope, but this is kind of an interesting project that seems kind of doable. Since there are dovetails cut in the barrel already it shouldn't be too impossible to have something made that would slide in and tighten up.

 

[arcticap]

The position of the scope would be affected by a combination of its length and its eye relief. Eye relief is the distance away from the eye that the rear lens needs to be positioned in order to see through it.
Most riflescopes don't have much more than 3 inches of eye relief which means that the rear lens needs to be mounted further back closer to the eye.
Modern style scopes will offer many more options as far as eye relief and length of the scope.

 

[ofitg]

Would it be better to have the front of the scope back farther behind the muzzle or ahead of it? I'm just wondering what would protect the lens better from fouling and whatnot

I don't think I would want the scope to protrude out forward of the muzzle... at the very least, the bottom of the scope would probably get scorched. There would also be a greater chance of the scope bumping into something.

That dovetail slot for the front sight cannot be moved, but there might be another way to mount the scope back away from the muzzle - perhaps the two dovetail slots could serve as "anchor points" for a rib which lies atop the barrel for its entire length? And the two scope rings could be attached to rib anywhere along its length? A primitive "rail system".....

 

[ZZZ]

It would look cool, but I vote to leave it as is. They are neat little tack drivers the way they are IMO. The awkward way you need to hold it to keep your fingers is better with it as light as possible, so if you scope it, you might want to consider keeping it as light as possible.