1909 mauser

[mrgunfreak]

My Grandpa has a mauser model 1909 Argintino. It was bought with no bolt.
My 2 questions are, for one what caliber is it? My Gramps said it was a 9mm because that is what the guy he bought it from said. I went and measured the bore diameter @ the end of the barrel, And it came close to .284 I looked in a reloading book
And the closest thing I could come up with was a 7by57mm. So I went online and everything I found said it was a 7.65by53 Mauser. Well when I was checking the bore dia. a .308 bullet would not fit it trying to insert from muzzle or reciever end. Second Q. where can I find a whole bolt body assembled for this rifle, or can I use some other kind of Mauser bolt?

 

[NCsmitty]

The Argentine Mauser is a very desirable version of Mauser. It is a standard length action and there are many standard Mauser bolts that should fit. The action is usually in the "white" which means it does not have a blued action. It also has the hinged floor plate. I believe the original caliber was the 7.65x53. It's possible to have been changed. A competent gunsmith could check it for you.
Look on www.gunbroker.com for a complete bolt assy.


NCsmitty

 

[mrgunfreak]

Thanks 4 info.

 

[dfariswheel]

For replacement bolts, here's some sources: Note that bolts MUST be checked for head space by a gunsmith.
Firing a rifle with an incorrectly fitting bolt can be fatal.

The 1909 Argentine was originally chambered for the 7.65mm Argentine round. Many were re-chambered to shoot the 30-06.
Make sure of what it is before firing.
Also, don't get confused with the 1891 Argentine. Its a different rifle.
The 1909 used a straight bolt handle that sticks out to the side.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/products_new.asp?CatID=4191

http://ssporters.com/

 

[NCsmitty]

Good catch there, dfariswheel. I should have mentioned that he should check the headspace or have someone who can. He might be new at this.



NCsmitty

 

[Remo-99]

My Gramps said it was a 9mm because that is what the guy he bought it from said. I went and measured the bore diameter @ the end of the barrel, And it came close to .284

It sounds like someone may have been confused/misunderstood when passing on the info, and took 7mm as 9mm or meant 7mm instead of 9mm.
But it should be the barrel grooves that measure .284" and not the bore/lands, for a 7mm calibre.

Well when I was checking the bore dia. a .308 bullet would not fit it trying to insert from muzzle or reciever end.

Another test is take a .277" bullet(.270win etc) if you have one and see if that will enter the lands/bore of the barrel. It may or may not depending on the wear and/or tolerances. But if it does fit snuggly, then it'd be a 7mm.

 

[wrench]

Is it in it's original military configuration, or has it been sporterized?
The Argentine 1909 was a very popular candidate to make custom hunting rifles out of, back in the day.
If it's not in it's original caliber, it could be anything. You should find a gunsmith to confirm the caliber.
Then, to find a bolt. Any full length Mauser '98 bolt will fit, but a gunsmith will need to check headspace, once you figure out what caliber it is.
Good luck.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

The 1909 typically has the caliber(original) stamped into the barrel on the left side about 2-3 inches back from the muzzle. Again that doesn't allow for rechambering only what it left the factory as.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Which 1909 do you have? Is it a rifle(29"barrel) or a carbine(21.5" barrel)? Who manufactured it? DWM in Germany or F.A.M.P. in Argentina? If it is a calvary carbine made in Argentina it is quite rare.