.243 reloading

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seattlechef

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Hey all

Second post here but have been lurking for quite a while. I am pretty new to reloading but have a few Thousand rounds of .38 special cowboy loads under my belt so I figured it was time to start reloading .243 for Ruger precision rifle. I am starting my loads with:

Hodgdon h4350 36 g
CCI large rifle primers
Hornady 105g A-Max
C.O.L. 2.73

Ive loaded 10 rounds so far but have yet to try them out. My question is about OAL. Most reloading info states OAL from 2.60 to 2.760( the latter being from the Hodgdon website) - with a majority saying 2.710 . I used my Hornady OAL gauge to test bullet free float and it comes up with 2.81 . I loaded my first 10 at 2.730 to start out with. Is this a good length? Can I go up to 2.81? or should I stay at 2.710? Thoughts?

Thanks for the input
Seattlechef
 
My personal preference is not to load to the lands. I never gained enough to worry about it.

You exactly in my comfort zone. And you'll not have to worry about pressure as you would loading at maxOAL.
 
OAL, Ok as long as it fits the magazine. Ruger lists a twist rate of 7.7" I would not shoot any light weight varmint bullets, they may blow up before reaching the target.
 
Your rifle will tell you how far into or away from the lands it wants. It might also tell you it wants a few more grains of powder. 4350 was my go to powder in the 243 for a long time, until I tried H414 for the first time about 20 years ago.
 
Generally when I start with a new bullet I have not loaded for a specific rifle before I start with what the guys who made the bullet suggest. The peeps at Hornady seem to suggest a C.O.L. of 2.630 for their 105gn A-Max in 243 Winchester loads. Additionally your load using Hodgdon 4350 is actually a light load as with your bullet, the 105gn A-Max Hornady suggest a Start Load of 38.3gn and a Maximum Load of 41.0gn. That load data taken from the Hornady 9th Edition which many see as somewhat conservative load data.

Since you know where the rifling begins and what Hornady suggest for their bullet I would start with the suggested C.O.L. and work out towards the lands from there.

Ron
 
The peeps at Hornady seem to suggest a C.O.L. of 2.630 for their 105gn A-Max in 243 Winchester loads.

I did start at 2.63 in my RPR and the 105gr A-MAX shot very poorly, but then in my rifle, that was a .140" jump. I get good performance with that bullet at 2.74" COL which is a .030" jump. While the OP will need to determine what works best in his RPR, I'm guessing he will be OK starting at his stated 2.73". (And it should be noted that other than the bullet, all my other components were different than what the OP is using.)

Additionally your load using Hodgdon 4350 is actually a light load as with your bullet, the 105gn A-Max Hornady suggest a Start Load of 38.3gn and a Maximum Load of 41.0gn. That load data taken from the Hornady 9th Edition which many see as somewhat conservative load data.

Perhaps the OP was looking at the Hodgdon data for H4350. They list a start load of 35.0 and a max of 37.5 gr.
 
I'm also working up a load for a RPR in .243.

My start OAL after measuring my chamber (Hornady inserts) for the 105 Berger Hybrid at a COAL of 2.863", which is .020 off the lands.

Chuck
 
I'm also working up a load for a RPR in .243.

My start OAL after measuring my chamber (Hornady inserts) for the 105 Berger Hybrid at a COAL of 2.863", which is .020 off the lands.

My RPR has a much shorter leade than yours. A COAL of 2.863" is .020 INTO the rifling with that bullet in my rifle.
 
climbnjump,

What are you using for dies????

I tried using my standard RCBS dies with the Berger 105 VLDs and ran into some serious run-out issues (4-5 thousandths). Believe the longer bullet tips are contacting the seating stem "unsupported" by the seating plug.

Chuck
 
A few things. Do a search on this board for OCW or Optimum Charge Weight. Do another search on this board for Audette Ladder.

I have been using the OCW method as it is pretty straight forward and relatively easy to dial in.

How close to the lands you decide to load, for me anyway, has usually been a function of "how close can I get and still fit the magazine?". I try to load about 3 thou off the lands if I have the opportunity. You will up the pressure as you load close to the lands so starting well under max is important.

I have never found the fastest round to be the most accurate. But the spread between most accurate and fastest is usually not more than 100 to 150 FPS. Some powders just will not perform well. If you stick to the known accurate powders you are usually in good territory. Lighter bullets tend to do better with relatively faster powders. The real benefit of a .243 is you can get the round moving fast. I took an antelope at 225 yards with an 85 grain Partition from a .243 Ackley Improved.

I have found with the OCW method that I can load with or without a crimp. Once you find the sweet spot for your barrel, brass/primer/powder/bullet combo (and brass length and COL is important as well as jump to the lands) it is something you can replicate year to year.

The best thing you can do, and you state you are doing it, is to know the dimensions of your chamber relative to the round. Not knowing means guessing.

Since this is your hunting rifle you don't want to get it overly hot. The .243 is way oversquare so its a blowtorch on the chamber. I usually take two rifles, sometimes three, to the range so that I am giving a good five minutes between shots with my hunting rifles. I will also clean the barrel every three shots or so. It helps cool it and you will hunt with a cold rifle.

Post a pic of your target when you get back from the range!
 
"...loaded 10 rounds so far..." You need to begin with the start load and work up, not just pick a load and hope.
Been using 2.710" for a Speer 105 SP (no hunting anything but varmints with an A-Max) for eons. That's the SAAMI max. 2.81" is too long. So is 2.760". No idea where Hodgdon came up with that. Their site has lot of anomalies though.
However, your biggest limitation is the mag. If the cartridge won't fit in it, you have a high priced single shot.
The whole off-the-lands thing isn't necessary either. It's a load tweaking technique that can wait until you have a load. Never bother with it myself.
 
However, your biggest limitation is the mag. If the cartridge won't fit in it, you have a high priced single shot.
The whole off-the-lands thing isn't necessary either. It's a load tweaking technique that can wait until you have a load. Never bother with it myself.

Luckily climbnjump helped me out with the magazine issue. By going with the PMAG AICS you can get at least a 2.86" COL. IF you really need to stretch it, you can get to 2.965" by going with the ALPHA Type 2:

http://www.alphaindmfg.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51

I've sold the PMAGs that came with my RPR to a friend with an SR25 and have bought the PMAG AICS. I might spring for an Alpha 2 when I try the Berger 115s out.

While the "off the lands" thing may be debatable, there's an awful lot of LR shooters that swear by it. One of the best resources for RPR info that I've found is the "Sniper's Hide", there's 3 separate threads going with some pretty good data as to what guys are having success with:

http://www.scout.com/military/snipe...13955138-new-ruger-precison-bolt-action-rifle

Unfortunately, the majority of info is for .308 and 6.5C, the .243 just isn't that popular. There's also a RPR dedicated website (RPR Nation), with a Forum and a dedicated reloading page.

Almost forgot, here's an additional thread detailing some load development:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...opics/10929299/RUGER_PRECISION_RIFLE_.243_LOA

Chuck
 
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Thanks great info. I shot all of the rounds that I worked up. from 36 to 38g of HP4350 @ 2.61 to 2.73. All fired well. I am going to load up to 39g @2.73 on the batch. The ruger is pretty amazing rifle. All my buddies and myself were able to have great groupings at 100 yards.
 
A few things. Do a search on this board for OCW or Optimum Charge Weight. Do another search on this board for Audette Ladder.

I have been using the OCW method as it is pretty straight forward and relatively easy to dial in.

How close to the lands you decide to load, for me anyway, has usually been a function of "how close can I get and still fit the magazine?". I try to load about 3 thou off the lands if I have the opportunity. You will up the pressure as you load close to the lands so starting well under max is important.

I have never found the fastest round to be the most accurate. But the spread between most accurate and fastest is usually not more than 100 to 150 FPS. Some powders just will not perform well. If you stick to the known accurate powders you are usually in good territory. Lighter bullets tend to do better with relatively faster powders. The real benefit of a .243 is you can get the round moving fast. I took an antelope at 225 yards with an 85 grain Partition from a .243 Ackley Improved.

I have found with the OCW method that I can load with or without a crimp. Once you find the sweet spot for your barrel, brass/primer/powder/bullet combo (and brass length and COL is important as well as jump to the lands) it is something you can replicate year to year.

The best thing you can do, and you state you are doing it, is to know the dimensions of your chamber relative to the round. Not knowing means guessing.

Since this is your hunting rifle you don't want to get it overly hot. The .243 is way oversquare so its a blowtorch on the chamber. I usually take two rifles, sometimes three, to the range so that I am giving a good five minutes between shots with my hunting rifles. I will also clean the barrel every three shots or so. It helps cool it and you will hunt with a cold rifle.

Post a pic of your target when you get back from the range!

Coltdriver,

I just tried the OCW method based on your post

OCW Overview - Dan Newberry's OCW Load Development System

I have been using the ladder method of load development with pretty good success (before that I guesstimated). Decided to try the OCW method after reading your post for initial load development with my new Ruger RPR, IMR4831 and Berger Hybrid 105. I used plain WIN .243 brass, primer pockets uniformed, shoulder bumped back .0015" and the necks sized .0020" and the bullets .0020 off the lands. Used the OCW method to develop 5 powder charges with 3 shot initial groups. I made a spreadsheet that makes the calculations easier, literally just plug in max charges from 3 sources and it averages and determines the powder charges to be tested.

Keep in mind that this method is just to determine the optimal powder charge, not the ultimate accuracy (yet). The goal is to determine a "resilient" charge that covers different temps etc. Accuracy gets tweaked later with neck tension, OAL, and maybe some more brass prep. Anyhow, it seemed to work.

I tested loads last night after work and all 5 groups were sub MOA, largest being .7220 and the smallest coming in at .3605 at 100 meters.

#1 0.6230
#2 0.3910
#3 0.7220 (Scatter group) From Newberry's page
I show all of the targets above because I want to illustrate the importance of the "scatter group."* This will be one group of the round-robin sequence that seems to inexplicably open up.
#4 0.4095
#5 0.3605

One weird aspect of this testing is you shoot the loads at their respective target using a round-robin method. So, it's one shot at each target using it's respective load, then rotate to the next target/load for 3 iterations on each of the 5 targets.

According to the method, the group size isn't that important yet, but what is important is which loads impact the target at the same POI, which in this case were #s 2-4-5. All shot reasonable groups and right at the same basic POI. So I'll pick the middle of the 3, which will then "in theory" provide a "resilient" powder charge that is "harmonically" stable and compensates for temperature and pressure variations and still put the round at the same POI.

Next step is to check the chosen load against a lighter and heavier load (.3 grain increment), then on to chrongraphing and tweaking OAL etc. Results so far are pretty promising.

Chuck
 
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