257 Roberts Load?

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Just ordered my first rifle in 257 Roberts and looking for some reloading suggestions for this round. I have no brass, so should I buy factory ammo and then just neck size the cases or should I buy factory new brass and FL size and go from there?

The rifle is a Ruger No 1 RSI so I like the neck sizing because I can lightly seat a bullet to test how long it needs to be before it touches the lands. Being a single shot, I'm not bound by any OAL requirements from a magazine.

Also what are some good powders to try? The only rifle powder I have on hand is 4895.
 
Congratulations on the new gun.

4895 is a good one as is 4350. Brass isn't as plentiful as it once was or as cheap anyway.
What kind of bullets are you wanting to use?
 
In the last year or so I have bought factory ammo for the brass since new brass was hard to find. It seems like the factories only make seasonal runs of 257 Roberts and I always miss the available times.

Many powders do well. I happen to use Win 760 since I have plenty on hand for 22-250 and 243 and I don't like to trickle IMR stick powders. Just my preference.
 
Using 4350 in my 24" barrelled M700, I had no problem getting 3200fps with 58 grains, IIRC. Using 4831 easily duplicated that velocity.
 
Go to GunBroker and look for 257 Roberts Winchester brass. There is 100 rounds of new Winchester brass and the current bid is $69 and it closes on Monday June 6. You will probably have to pay $105 or more to win it but if you want new brass this is a good choice. I'll say it again, you may not get another chance to buy this quality brass.
 
Congratulations on the new gun.

4895 is a good one as is 4350. Brass isn't as plentiful as it once was or as cheap anyway.
What kind of bullets are you wanting to use?
I'm thinking 115gr bullets. I shoot 100gr in my 243 so I don't need another gun shooting the same bullet.
 
I worked extensively with a Ruger #1 back in the 80's.

It liked the traditional Roberts loads with H4831, and IMR4350.

H4895 may work, but velocities will top out 100-200fps below potential of other slower powders.
My rifle approaches 1/2 moa (5-shots) with 48.0gr of H4831, or 45.0gr IMR4350 under the currently not produced 100gr PtSpt Interlok.
My "heavy" bullet favorite is 45.0gr IMR4831 with a 117gr bullet. This gets 2,900 with a 120, 3,000 with the Berger or Nosler 115gr bullets and is as good as it gets with the "Bob".

Because some "Bobs" have short throats, start 3.0gr under these loads. Work up 1/2gr at a time. Your rifle will determine actual charges.

If relegated to H4895 ( I have, use LOTS of it, just not in the "Bobs") I'd start at 36.0gr and expect to STOP at 38-40.0grn. Expect 2,800fps with 100gr and 40.0gr H4895. Accuracy will be likely good, though.
 
Yes, the caliber pretty much tops out at 120.

For your application 4831, 4350, or even 8208xbr would work. These powders work well in 100 gr. as well.
 
:)Hodgdon's manual has loads for several bullet weights, using their relatively new Hybrid H100 V. The velocities and pressures look good.

I have several good loads, using H4831, H4350 and IMR 4064 with 120 gr, 117 gr, 115, and 100 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets. With the Roberts, "try it and see" seems to be the rule, although I use John Barnsness' Handloader article "Loads that Work" as a very useful guideline. You need to pick your "experts" very carefully!:)

Brass is getting hard to find. I scored 50 unfired rounds from a fellow who apparently didn't know what he had...for $19, which gives me
~ 300 unfired brass, plus a couple hundred1-3X fired rounds, which should see me for the foreseeable future. And...powder is available!
 
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Thanks everyone. I will probably start working on some loads using my 4895 first since it's at least acceptable. And when I burn through that, then I'll start experimenting with other powders. You all gave me some very good options to start looking for.
 
I think highly of the 257 Roberts and am of the opinion that it was handicapped until recently, when +P pressures were set by SAAMI. In my opinion, low pressures were set, not because of anything to do with the cartridge, but due to the few early Mausers, low number Springfields, that were chambered in this round. This round came out in the 1920's, pre existing rifles converted to the 257 Roberts would have been those WW1 M98's, or M96's,M91's, low number M1903's, which by today's standards, all of which were using low pressure ammunition.

WW2 and after, metallurgy was mature, process controls were at least in the vacuum tube era and cartridge pressures could be higher without compromising the structure of the firearm. Pyrometers, that is temperature gages, were an early 1900's invention, and it took time to get the things in the factories. Springfield Armory and Rock Island Armory did not have pyrometers until 1918. The US Army built 1,000,000 M1903 rifles without a temperature gage in the factory, heat was judged by the human eyeball, and as such, all one million of the "low number" receivers are highly suspect of being overheated anytime heat was applied. In 1927, Army tests showed that 1/3 of them would blow up in overpressure conditions. Also, early actions were made out of low grade plain carbon steels. By the time you get to WW2 actions are being made of alloy steels, so the same actions are stronger by virtue of better steels, and the process control technology is better.

My 257 Roberts liked the 4350 powders and shot very well with a 100 grain Sierra. I think highly of all the 4350 powders, that is IMR 4350, AA4350, and H4350. There is hardly any real difference between them so buy by price. I have gotten excellent results with 4350 in 270 Win, 6.5 X 55, and of course the 257 Roberts, and it is a very popular powder for those shooting 6.5 match cartridges. My pre 64 had the factory short magazine conversion box. Pre 64's were all a long action and the factory installed a short magazine box for the 257 Roberts. The previous owner converted it to a long action by installing a long magazine box and removing the bolt gas block stop. This allowed seating the bullet out two tenth’s longer than what I see in reloading manuals. I think this was critical for the good accuracy I got because I was able to seat the bullet 0.030” off the lands instead of having the bullet jump about a quarter inch. Check the distance to the lands and adjust accordingly. If you have a long throated chamber, I think that is just wonderful as you can push the bullet out, and pressures will be lower for the same powder charge as a short throated barrel.

Given that my loads pushed a 100 grain bullet just at 2800-2850 fps and maximum loads in my Nosler reloading manual show 3000 fps is possible, I really wonder why the 243 was created. The Roberts can do it all!


Pre 64 M70 Featherweight 257 Roberts

100 grain Sierra SP 44.0 grs IMR 4350 wtd, Lot RB 15 (60's) Fed 210S W-W brass
OAL 2.930", 2.950" touched lands.

19-Aug-13 T = 85 °F

Ave Vel = 2849
Std Dev = 27
ES = 90
Low = 2795
High = 2885
N = 10

Normal looking primers, good group except for one flyer


100 grain Sierra SP 45.0 grs H4350 wtd, Lot 22685 Fed 210S W-W brass
OAL 2.930", 2.950" touched lands.

19-Aug-13 T = 85 °F

Ave Vel = 2822
Std Dev = 14
ES = 36
Low = 2802
High = 2838
N = 5

Excellent group, under 1 MOA

100 grain Sierra SP 38.0 grs Varget wtd, Lot 4292 Fed 210S W-W brass
OAL 2.930", 2.950" touched lands.

19-Aug-13 T = 85 °F

Ave Vel = 2809
Std Dev = 12
ES = 28
Low = 2789
High = 2817
N = 5

About 3 MOA


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Be real careful with Hybrid100V.

The early lot# I had is MUCH faster burning than data reflects.
It is billed as a 4350 burn rate but mine is closer to BLC2 or Win748. Definitely faster than H380.

I had starting loads in both .257Robt and .375Ruger crater primers and loosen primer pockets with published starting loads. The Roberts load was supposed to be less than 44,000cup. NOT!
One of the few instances I've thrown powder to the Azaleas.
 
Goose;
From your post, I presume that your experiences with overpressure Hybrid 100V loads occurred in the '80s. Am I correct?

Did you ever communicate with Hodgdon to see what they could tell you about the problem?

My powder was bought well after the turn of the Century, so hopefully, in 30-some years, Hodgdon has reconciled the differences in loads and pressure. It would be interesting to see what Hodgdon might have to say about that.
:)
 
My 257 Roberts has proven to be accepting of many powder and bullet combos. I've had sub 1" groups (the way I shoot is as good as it gets) with IMR 4350, IMR 4064' and Reloader 19.
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Hybrid 100v has only been out about 4yrs. Very new powder. Not gaining a lot of following.
I've shot a LOT of different powders and bullets through the Bob.
Killed a LOT of deer with it.
I won't be buying any more H100V.

Get some H4350 and Sierra bullets and enjoy your new Bob!
 
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I have been working with the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet in a .25/06 and have been really satisfied with the results ....

That same bullet would be very deadly in the .257 Roberts also .... depending if your gun will shoot them or not ... but that 80 gr TTSX at close 3400 fps will do the job on deer sized game ....
 
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