The new Cheaper than Dirt catalog has some milsurp 30-06 in Garand clips at $35 per 192 rounds. Anyone know of any better deals out there? I want to pick up some 06 ammo so I'm looking for the best deal on plinking ammo (I don't need the clips, just the ammo).
30-06 milsurp?
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George S.
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That's a failry cheap price. But it sounds like it's the Korean KA-headstamped milsurp ammo that is corrosive. You have to immediately clean your rifle after shooting the KA ammo, otherwise the salts in the primers will corrode the metal.
It's not that big of a deal to clean up, just use hot water to flush the bolt face, chamber and barrel. Some people use Windex with Ammonia to remove the salts. Then after you get home, clean as you normally would.
Buying the KA ammo in clips is a good way of getting a supply of en-bloc clips and some of this ammo even comes in cloth bandoleers. If you don't need the clips, there is always a market for them on just about any gun forum. You can easily get $.50 each for them or maybe even more!
The CMP now has Greek surplus ammo available right now for $100 for 480 rounds. The reports are that its as almost as accurate as the Lake City M2 ball ammo they sell.
One thing to consider on ammo price is the shipping costs. CTD may have some good prices, but shipping costs can drive up the cost of an order quickly. Compare the ammo prices and the shipping costs from different vendors to see who has the best deal.
It's not that big of a deal to clean up, just use hot water to flush the bolt face, chamber and barrel. Some people use Windex with Ammonia to remove the salts. Then after you get home, clean as you normally would.
Buying the KA ammo in clips is a good way of getting a supply of en-bloc clips and some of this ammo even comes in cloth bandoleers. If you don't need the clips, there is always a market for them on just about any gun forum. You can easily get $.50 each for them or maybe even more!
The CMP now has Greek surplus ammo available right now for $100 for 480 rounds. The reports are that its as almost as accurate as the Lake City M2 ball ammo they sell.
One thing to consider on ammo price is the shipping costs. CTD may have some good prices, but shipping costs can drive up the cost of an order quickly. Compare the ammo prices and the shipping costs from different vendors to see who has the best deal.
Father Knows Best
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The best deal going on 30-06 surplus is CMP. They have 960 round cases of Lake City (LC 72) M2 ball in boxes for $192/case. That works out to $4/box. It's first quality stuff, too, and it comes packed in four .30 cal steel ammo boxes.
I have shot 3-4 cases of the KA-headstamped Korean ammo and purchased another six cases of it several months ago.
The last match I shot (200-800 yard steel plate match), I won using a bone stock, service grade, Greek, CMP M1 and that Korean ammo against 38 other shooters most of whom traveled from out of state to shoot the match (this wasn't a local match).
EVERY time it is mentioned on the internet, several people immediately post that it is corrosive: it is in THR SOPs for this to be posted EVERY TIME. If that bothers you for some reason, don't buy it: more for me. But it is good ammo and I buy as much as I can afford.
I also reload the cases: they are boxer primed and reuse the clips and bandolers. I couldn't be happier with it.
The last match I shot (200-800 yard steel plate match), I won using a bone stock, service grade, Greek, CMP M1 and that Korean ammo against 38 other shooters most of whom traveled from out of state to shoot the match (this wasn't a local match).
EVERY time it is mentioned on the internet, several people immediately post that it is corrosive: it is in THR SOPs for this to be posted EVERY TIME. If that bothers you for some reason, don't buy it: more for me. But it is good ammo and I buy as much as I can afford.
I also reload the cases: they are boxer primed and reuse the clips and bandolers. I couldn't be happier with it.
Father Knows Best
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I haven't tried the KA headstamp Korean, but I do shoot a lot of PS headstamp Korean. It's very good, too.
One point I want to make in reference to my last post: I have never fired this stuff on paper. In fact, I have never fired the rifle itself on paper. I am not going to tell you this stuff shoots the tightest groups or anything like that, because I don't know. What I will tell you is that I am more than satisfied with it and it's accuracy is plenty good enough for my purposes. This leads me to believe that it would probably group pretty good, but again, I can't tell you that for a fact.
I participate in a sport that involves shooting, as issued, vintage military rifles at steel plates. At 800 yards, the steel plate is 60" x 45". At 600 and 700 yards the plates are 36"x40" and at 200, 300, 400, and 500 the plates measure 20"x30". This ammo is certainly capable of being able to hit these targets with iron sights, and a mil-surp rifle that looks pretty rough.
I participate in a sport that involves shooting, as issued, vintage military rifles at steel plates. At 800 yards, the steel plate is 60" x 45". At 600 and 700 yards the plates are 36"x40" and at 200, 300, 400, and 500 the plates measure 20"x30". This ammo is certainly capable of being able to hit these targets with iron sights, and a mil-surp rifle that looks pretty rough.
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That sounds like a lot of fun, 444. I enjoy steel targets much more than paper. Is there a sanctioning body for this sport? Where do you do it?
No, there is no sanctioning body. We call it VMBAR and VMSAR: Vintage Military Bolt Action Rifle and Vintage Military Semi-Auto Rifle.
We shoot two local matches held on a monthly basis. One Saturday we shoot bolt guns, the following Saturday we shoot semi-autos. In addition, there is another match in a neighboring town (Boulder City Rifle & Pistol Club) where we shoot metalic silhouette on the first Sunday of the month with the same rifles and most of the same guys are involved in that match. At our local match (Desert Sportsman's in Las Vegas), the furthest target is at 385 yards and is smaller than the target dimensions I posted above. In the silhouette match the furthest target is the ram and it is at 500 meters.
The match that I spoke of in my post is held three times a year in Northern Utah, at Promontory Point. It was what started the whole thing with us and it put on by a couple employees of Browning. The next one of these matches is next weekend.
That match is a two day event, but most people get there on Friday and leave Sunday night, camping at the range. Friday, you can shoot as much as you want: you can get your sight dope as well as try out all kinds of other rifles that you arn't going to use in the match. Saturday is bolt action, Sunday is semi-auto. Each day is considered a seperate match and the match consists of two stages. One stage is obviously, shooting on the range from 200 to 800 yards. The other part, you go on a "trail walk". There are about 5-6 stops along the way with shooting senarios. The targets are at unknown distances and you have to shoot from field positions. Usually, the grass is too high to use prone. On that trail walk, I think the most distant target is around 400 yards. Most of those trail walk stages are: as many rounds as you can get off in 30 seconds and a couple also have a pistol stage. So, you might have to fire a half dozen shots with a pistol, get into position, extimate the range and fire away with your rifle and hopefully needing to reload: in 30 seconds.
Ton of fun and real cheap to do since we are using milsurp rifles. We have gotten a lot of people with no shooting experience into becoming regulars because the rifles (bolt rifles) are typically like $100 so everyone can afford it. I am happy to say that we have a whole lot of female shooters as well as kids. As well as at least one single mother and her kids who didn't own a gun before this and now are totally into it.
We shoot two local matches held on a monthly basis. One Saturday we shoot bolt guns, the following Saturday we shoot semi-autos. In addition, there is another match in a neighboring town (Boulder City Rifle & Pistol Club) where we shoot metalic silhouette on the first Sunday of the month with the same rifles and most of the same guys are involved in that match. At our local match (Desert Sportsman's in Las Vegas), the furthest target is at 385 yards and is smaller than the target dimensions I posted above. In the silhouette match the furthest target is the ram and it is at 500 meters.
The match that I spoke of in my post is held three times a year in Northern Utah, at Promontory Point. It was what started the whole thing with us and it put on by a couple employees of Browning. The next one of these matches is next weekend.
That match is a two day event, but most people get there on Friday and leave Sunday night, camping at the range. Friday, you can shoot as much as you want: you can get your sight dope as well as try out all kinds of other rifles that you arn't going to use in the match. Saturday is bolt action, Sunday is semi-auto. Each day is considered a seperate match and the match consists of two stages. One stage is obviously, shooting on the range from 200 to 800 yards. The other part, you go on a "trail walk". There are about 5-6 stops along the way with shooting senarios. The targets are at unknown distances and you have to shoot from field positions. Usually, the grass is too high to use prone. On that trail walk, I think the most distant target is around 400 yards. Most of those trail walk stages are: as many rounds as you can get off in 30 seconds and a couple also have a pistol stage. So, you might have to fire a half dozen shots with a pistol, get into position, extimate the range and fire away with your rifle and hopefully needing to reload: in 30 seconds. Ton of fun and real cheap to do since we are using milsurp rifles. We have gotten a lot of people with no shooting experience into becoming regulars because the rifles (bolt rifles) are typically like $100 so everyone can afford it. I am happy to say that we have a whole lot of female shooters as well as kids. As well as at least one single mother and her kids who didn't own a gun before this and now are totally into it.
Father Knows Best
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Wow. That sounds like a ton of fun. I wish I was closer. I could bring out my Swede M38 and USGI WWII Garand.
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