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antiliberal454

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Hi guys, i just bought the new Savage model 11 BTH with thumbhole stock. I got it in 30-06.. Could anyone tell me if its a good gun with the accu-trigger and all of that. It looks amazing, and i have heard that savages are great guns. Let me know what you guys think, it should arrive tommrow. thanks:neener::neener::barf:
 
Personally I love the Accutrigger, feels just like a two stage match trigger to me.I shoot a 12 FV in .243 for paper punching and it works fine.
 
Savage makes very good rifles at a far-less-than-premium price point.

That rifle will do its part if you do yours. I don't own a Savage rifle, but have shot several in vrious calibres...liked them all.
 
It is a plain and simple fact that Savage found a way to make a rifle with a less expensive manufacturing process, that is MORE accurate than most other sporting rifles. The barrel nut facilitate headspacing consistency. They are great rifles. I wish I owned one! I like my Winchester enough that I haven't made the trade.
 
Savage makes great rifles, and especially for the low cost. There are always going to be doubters, and "nay-sayers"...Those who will put down folks that
don't, or won't spend mega-bucks on a rifle just so that they can say "Look
what I just spent a fortune on"...For example, you can buy a "tactical" quality
Savage rifle (.223 or .308) with accu-trigger for under $600.00, where as the other guy will go and spend 4 times that, and he won't have a more accurate rifle...You made a great purchase, anti...Shoot it, enjoy it...:)
P.S. The accu-trigger system is awesome...
 
I own a number of Savage rifles. One in particular, a laminated stock, 110G, was bought in 1985. In .270, I put a Nichols (remember them) scope on it, bore sighted it by looking through the barrel, then the scope, and took it out to shoot. The first three Remington 130 gr. Bronze Point loads were centered in the red bulls-eye at 100 yards, in .85". That same rifle will repeat that today, with the original scope still aboard.

Did I mention that this was done standing?

Perhaps they aren't as good as the guns in the "magazine articles", but I tend to trust what happens in my hands more than what I read. In 1985, that rifle cost me $285.00. Much cheaper than a 700, or a 70. The pair of those that I have in .270 aren't that accurate. :)
 
Guys I don't post info I can't back up. Read this web page. I can find more if you like.
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King G,

And I can provide you with a link to the Flat Earth Society, but that don't mean it's so. I have shot in competition for the past 6 years, and while Savage rifles are a decent shooting rifle out-of-the-box and a good value for the money, the statement "Savage makes some of the best guns in the world. They are used in some of the top shooting competitions and they are often the guns the winners choose" is WAY over the top, and not based on my real life observation, nor in the list of equipment used in the various range reports I receive.

Don
 
Quote by USSR:
"And I can provide you with a link to the Flat Earth Society, but that don't mean it's so."



U,
Hey, you don't belong to that group, do you, 'cause they sound a little bit
skeptical too...Just kidding. I respect your opinion, and the fact that you shoot comp...Some shooters really do say those things about Savage. But just because they say that doesn't make it true...Just like others saying it's not true doesn't make it "untrue"...Here's where the rubber meets the road...At the end of the day, and the end of the match, when the guy with the $600-$700 gun gun beats the guy next to him with the $3,000-$4,000 gun, who feels the best? It's happening more and more, and Savage value is catching more and more shooters...Watch and see, Savage is coming to a match near you...:)
 
Attention Savage KoolAid drinkers!!! As I said previously, for an out-of-the-box , low-end rifle, the Savage is a decent shooting rifle and a good value for the money. But, Savage does NOT make "some of the best guns in the world" and they are NOT "used in some of the top shooting competitions and they are often the guns the winners choose". For example, see the match results below from The Original PA 1000 Yard Benchrest Club. Please note, not one Savage made it into the top 20 for group size or score. So, maybe the Savage shooters just had a bad day? Eh, nope. In the 10 relays consisting of anywheres from 6 to 9 shooter per relay, the total number of Savages was ZERO! Why do you suppose this is, when it is so easy to change barrels (the big selling point of Savages) by the shooter? Why aren't these guys unscrewing and screwing in their own barrels and saving all that money they are paying gunsmiths? It's simply the fact that the Savage is a decent entry-level rifle that exhibits decent accuracy right out of the box, but the platform does not lend itself to the extreme level of accuracy that 1,000 yard shooting demands of a rifle. So, enjoy your Savage. But just don't think it's one of the "best guns in the world".

Don

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Sorry that you got stuck with a Savage. I will give you $50 to take it off your hands so you won't have to hang you head in shame.
and I will split the shipping with you. it is the least I can do.
 
Not to seem too critical, but I'm willing to bet that NONE of these rifles, or receivers, were "factory" beyond the federally mandated stamp.

Could I also mention that there are other competitions than the Pa. 1000 yard competition? I'm sure that a 1000 yard Kool-Aid drinker thinks that his match is the only one, but it's just not true.

Maybe membership in the Flat Earth Society is necessary to believe that this is the only competition?

Perhaps it's also in an alternate universe?

OK, have I returned all of the silly comments properly? See, it works on both sides of the discussion.

Somebody droned on about unscrewing barrels and saving money on gunsmiths, but that's specious, too. It's not like the eight Remington actions were untouched by a gunsmith. That would be an embarrassing joke if that were attempted. The entire idea of the barrel nut is to allow proper head-spacing to be set at minimums, something that other production guns all too rarely enjoy.

Before anyone says that something isn't used in competition, please define what you're considering as competition. You won't find many 426 Hemis in Formula one, but you will in drag racing.

If the best that can be done is to rant on about competition, this thread is deader than the proverbial door-nail.

The OP asked about what he'd bought. It will be a fine rifle. The 7.62x63 is also a good cartridge, and more versatile than the 7.62x51 for hunting a wider variety of big game. Enjoy. If you're planning on entering a 1000 yard competition in Pennsylvania, I'm sure that USSR will be around to help. :)
 
Well said, JR 47...Also, of this too, be sure...Upper Yankeeville isn't the only place shooting comps are held...Yeh, yeh...whatever...There's always someone who wants to rain on someones parade. I'm not against spending whatever amount of money you desire on your rifle...Just realize that some folks have discovered a way to shoot extremely well and competitively without spending a fortune...I'm not impressed with all the hype of a multi thousand $ rifle, unless you're shooting something provided to you by a sponsor, wearing their provided gear, and shooting totally at their expense, and winning a "LARGE" % of your matches...outside of that, you're just like all the rest of us, except
that you're spending more money than some of us...:barf:
Antiliberal454...Enjoy your rifle...........:)
 
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I just shot the rifle saturday, it finaly came in on wendsday of last week and i shot it two days ago on sunday, its not all sighted in yet. it is a great looking rifle and it doesnt kick to much, the accu-trigger is amazing! haha i dont know if i could ever live without it, i want a reloading press to reload loads for it and other guns now
 
I don't know the truth, but to strictly evaluate the truth value of this statemement offered by USSR:

[Savages] are NOT "used in some of the top shooting competitions and they are often the guns the winners choose".
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For that allegation to be accurate, one MUST believe one of the following three things about this information posted at the Savage website, linked to above:

2006 Results

Canadian International Fullbore Championships, Chilliwack, BC.

Wiswell Trophy - Stan Pate
Vern Barkley Gold Medal - Stan Pate
Past Presidents Gold medal - Stan Pate
BCRA Grand Aggregate Iron Cross - Stan Pate
Silver Team Match (2nd Place) - Darrell Buell, Stan Pate, John Weil, Wayne Douma.
U.S. F-Class Nationals Silver medals team match - four (4) for shooting and one (1) for coaching
U.S. F-Class Nationals Participation Bronze medals - Wayne Douma and Stan Pate

Medford Match, Medford, Oregon 1st Place - Darrell Buell

2007 Results:

National Champion (Fullbore Nationals) - Darrell Buell
Third Place (Fullbore Nationals) - Monte Milanuk
Second Place F-Class Nationals - Monte Milanuk
Third Place F-Class Nationals - Darrell Buell
First Place Canadian-American "Super-Agg" Trophy - John Weil
Wiswell Trophy (BC Championships) - Monte Milanuk
Gold Medal Blair Atholl (Scotland) 900 yard match - Darrell Buell
Bronze Medal Blair Atholl grand aggregate - Darrell Buell
Bronze Medal Tullamore (Irish Challenge Match) - Darrell Buell
Gold Medal Blair Adam (Scotland) Grand Agg. - Darrell Buell
Second Place Sacramento "Can-Am" match - John Weil
2006 Wiswell Trophy winner - Stan Pate
First Ever PNW Championships Savage Trophy - Darrell Buell
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(1) That it's either completely fraudulent, or (2) None of these competitions are a "TOP" competitions, or (3) that the winners in bold above do not constitute being "often" the winner.

I would simply like to know from USSR which one of those he believes that it is - #1 - that's it's made-up/fraudulent, or #2 - that those are not "top" competitions, or #3 - that these winners don't constitute being "often" the winners. I'm assuming you agree that if you get a gold, silver, or bronze, you are "a winner" (one of them) if not "the" winner. A simple 1, 2, or 3 answer is sufficient initially.

Again, I have no idea and think that USSR is probably right (probably #3 or possibly both #2 and #3) - just trying to get to the bottom of this through meticuous examination, from which neither side can weasal. :p
 
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My gut tells me that Savage has the cash to buy world class talent for it's shooting team and that the out of the box rifles they are shooting aren't at all typical. I would be extremely surprised if the rifles used by Team Savage weren't carefully selected as being the best of the best and I would be equally surprised if they weren't tuned by someone prior to competition.

Common sense should tell you that no production gun is going to be in the same class as a rifle that's custom fitted and tuned, using the best parts available, by a world class gunsmith. That doesn't mean that the Savage isn't a fantastic rifle, just that it doesn't cut the mustard when it's compared to an all out competition gun. Those are the kinds of rifles that shoot 1/4 MOA groups or less and their owners spare no expense to make them that way. Now ask yourself, how is a production Savage going to match that?
 
Look at a Savage catalog about F Class Rifles.

Yes, I'm as certain that the Savage rifles have been given the exact same treatment as the other brands rifles. That's allowable under the rules. Why anyone would think that the Remington receiver in a world-class competitor's rifle is "factory" is beyond me. Why the Savage should be is ludicrous to even think about.

There are other competitions, though. Each has a limited amount of work that can be done, and varies with the competition.

Do you think that Factory Production class cars are untouched in racing? Or in archery?

Savage is a fairly new competitor, having only recently decided to enter into competition. New parts are rapidly coming onto the market for these rifles. That they CAN compete against rifle manufacturers. whose rifles have been the recipient of decades of custom modifications, says a lot of good things about a new mark in the competition.
 
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