300m and in ar15 optics?

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The Trijicon Reflex, Aimpoint CompM4, EOTech, or just plain jane iron sights, are the sights I am considering right now. One of these, though I am open to other suggestions, will sit atop a colt ar15 with a 16 in. barrel. please keep any suggestions under the cost of the rifle.

i have shot a m4a1 with the iron sights in place and a trijicon reflex sight mounted to the top rail of the hand guard when i was going through the usmc's cqb school. this seemed to work very well, and is right now at the top of my list of choices.

i now use the acog at work, but am looking for something just a bit quicker close in for my own rifle.

any suggestions?
 
300m is just the limit i can reliably hit a torso sized, target from an unsupported shooting position.
 
Ive used Aimpoints for years. Unless you just have your heart set on a Comp M4, I'd look at the used market for a Comp M3. Very good battery life, you can turn it on and leave it on, replace the battery once a year, and all the guys who just have to have a Comp M4 are selling off their Comp M3s, and many of them have barely been out of the safe.

Jeff
 
the reason i like the comp4 better than the comp3 is that the battery compartment is lower and seems like it would not obstruct my vision as much. but you have a very good point about the used market.
 
I think you're barking up the wrong tree entirely.

1x optics are *great* for short-range work, out to 50 or 75 yards; a little further if you have good eyes. Although they will "work" at 300 yards, you're going to lack precision, and so need to be happy with just making hits on large squares or man-silhouette targets.

So, get yourself a magnified optic to shoot at such long ranges, and you'll get greater precision, more easily.

Just my opinion...
 
1x optics are *great* for short-range work, out to 50 or 75 yards; a little further if you have good eyes. Although they will "work" at 300 yards, you're going to lack precision, and so need to be happy with just making hits on large squares or man-silhouette targets.
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You have a point, but I think it has a lot more to do with how confident a person is shooting those ranges.

to shoot at such long ranges
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Come on, 300 isn't that far ;).
 
i agree. i am sure of my ability to hit targets out to 300m. though i have only done so with an acog when it really mattered. but i have been in a few situations where i felt at a disadvantage at very close range. the iron sight, reflex sight combo seems to me to be the ideal near/far solution.
 
Trijicon TriPower. You'll spend a little bit more money, but you'll be so much more pleased with the results. I've used mine out to 300m and it's very precise at that distance (chevron reticle instead of a dot). The problem with the dot is that it covers so much of the target at longer distances.

The TriPower's greatest advantage is that it's self-adjusting for ambient light conditions. You won't find yourself futzing around with buttons or knobs to adjust the intensity of the reticle if you happen to go from brightly lit to dimly lit conditions. This is a huge plus in my book.
 
I use the Burris XTR 1-4x and I think it's plenty quick at short range, but you do lose a bit of peripheral vision. I shoot it at IDPA targets, from a bench, at 300 yards and can put 9 out of ten in the head zone, using a standard Bushmaster M4.

For CQB competition I zero at 50 yards, giving me a POI of around -4 inches at 4 yards and -2 inches at 25 yards and +2 inches at 100 yards.

For target work I just adjust elevation down three clicks for a 100 yard zero (I use a handload so it doesn't exactly match factory specs).

The Burris has a BDC reticle and it works as advertised but has to be zeroed at 100 yards.

The Burris is certainly not the least expensive option but I don't regret spending the cash on it.
 
I'm a big Trijicon fan; but red-dots are not their strong point. I like the Aimpoint best here, followed by the Eotech.

However, the wide range of opinions on the subject (just in this thread) from shooters who do get out and work their rifles hard should be a good indication that you are unlikely to be unhappy with any of those choices.
 
My personal preference is to have a some magnification out past 100 yards. Don't get me wrong, irons or 1x optics can still reliably aid you in a 300-yard shot, its just that ideally I'd rather have something that lets me see the target better. ACOG would be a good choice if you have the $$ for it.
 
i agree that out past 200m or so an acog is very hard to beat. that is what i have on my m4 at work. but it does have a close range disadvantage that i don't want on the rifle that i own. i would rather use iron sights at longer ranges and have a 1x optic for business at conversational to across the street distances. will an aimpoint work mounted to the foreend rail? and would one still be able to use the iron sights if an aimpoint was mounted that way? i know for a fact that the trijicon reflex works just fine mounted in this fashion.
 
I have the version of the Burris XTR 1-4x with the FastFire mounted on top. I've got the scope zeroed at 100 yrds and the FastFire zeroed at 35 yrds. This setup would give you both the CQ capability and long range precision you're looking for and can be had for under your $1k price limit. I've only had it a couple of weeks, so my experience with the setup is limited, but so far I'm really likin' it.
 
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For large/practical targets out to 300m, a 1x Aimpoint is fine. If you need to shoot things as small as 3-5 MOA at that distance, a DMR style optic will serve you better.
 
i have no issue with the eotechs, i love mine and i have had great luck with them while in tyhe infantry.

you should be just fine with an eotech and targets at 300m. but don't skimp make sure you get a good buis too.

the only thing that i might would lean toward more than the eotech or other 1x optic would be the acog nsn. but that might very well be out of your price range.
 
Tee Hee - Zak's name on cover of Shotgun News this last issue - we're in the presence of celebrity, guys. I'm not worthy....I'm not worthy... :)
 
I've used all of the above, and out to 350 or so. You really can't go wrong with any of them. Do also look at the Tripower, which has a red chevron. I'd be happy with any of them.

FWIW, I'm in the business, and we move a lot more Aimpoint than any of the other two.

Don't worry about any reticle or part of the sight body, "covering" your target (as if iron sights don't)-- with both eyes open and the sight mounted a little forward, you have your full natural Mark I eyeball field of view.
 
Depends on what you're shooting at: bright sunny day at the range or drab, possible concealed targets that re partially under cover.

I like my Aimpoint as it's very fast close up. When targets (that aren't high contrast) start getting 150+ yards and out they get very hard to see. Low power optics let you find those targets and get hits on them.

I currently use a Aimpoint M4s with a 3X magnifier behind it on a Larue flipper. That combo covers me pretty well from touching to 400 yards.

BSW
 
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