30wcf firing modern 30-30

[milemaker13]

I recently acquired an early 40's model 94 chambered for 30 wcf. While I know the cartridge is the same as the 30-30, my question is whether the chamber pressure of modern 30-30 hunting ammo (win superX power point 150 & 170 gr) is the same as older 30wcf ammo?

The rifle is in very good condition; I have no doubt it is safe to shoot. It's just a question I haven't found a solid answer to yet. Thanks.

 

[Geno]

Here is s link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-30_Winchester

The 30 WCF and 30-30 Win are the same; they simply changed the name. Other companies, namely Remngton, have done the same (6mm Rem v. .244 Rem, and 7mm Rem Express v. .280 Rem).

Scroll down and review the “Naming” section.

Congrats on the acquisition!

Geno

 

[243winxb]

The 30 WCF and 30-40 Win are the same

No.
Typing mistake?

my question is whether the chamber pressure of modern 30-30 hunting ammo (win superX power point 150 & 170 gr) is the same as older 30wcf ammo?

Interesting question, as i have shot factory ammo in my 30 WCF.

 

[Geno]

Yes...typo. Bifocals and iPhones don’t go together well.

Thank-you for catching that!

Geno

 

[entropy]

I shoot factory and handloads in my M94 made between '42-'44. The factory did not keep the best records on civilian gun serial ranges, as they were quite busy at the time.
SAAMI max levels are set considering the oldest guns in a caliber. There are some factory rounds made for more modern guns in older calibers, i.e., 45-70, but the boxes are clearly marked as such. That box of Winchester .30-30's you picked up at Walmart will work fine in your M94.

 

[eastbank]

I shoot modern 30-30 ammo in a 1913 saddle ring carbine with no ill effects at all, except for the animals I have killed with it. it loves cheap walmart Remington 150gr ammo. eastbank.

 

[milemaker13]

SAAMI max levels are set considering the oldest guns in a caliber. There are some factory rounds made for more modern guns in older calibers, i.e., 45-70, but the boxes are clearly marked as such. That box of Winchester .30-30's you picked up at Walmart will work fine in your M94.

Thank you! This is very interesting and right on point. I could not seem to find a definitive answer anywhere while reading.

I'm thinking of " +P" type ammo when you say " clearly marked as such"

 

[Sav .250]

Fire away............

 

[Jim Watson]

1939 .30-30 ballistics were the same as today's. Doubt they increased the pressure to stay where they were.

 

[CraigC]

Modern ammo is probably actually lower in pressure than the original stuff, due to better powders and better testing equipment if nothing else. I treat my 1901 vintage rifle no different than my contemporary guns. Except that I like it more and feed it primarily cast bullets.

 

[milemaker13]

Beautiful rifle Craig. One thing I notice is your butt plate wrapping over the top of the stock, whereas mine is flat. I like the style of yours. I'm still sorting thru all the details read online, but I think yours is a rifle plate vs the flat shotgun style like mine? Is there a functional advantage to either type?
I'll probably take me a little while to get a pic posted...

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

If anything factory ammo is downloaded somewhat due to some old, wore out rifles still being used.

 

[CraigC]

Beautiful rifle Craig. One thing I notice is your butt plate wrapping over the top of the stock, whereas mine is flat. I like the style of yours. I'm still sorting thru all the details read online, but I think yours is a rifle plate vs the flat shotgun style like mine? Is there a functional advantage to either type?
I'll probably take me a little while to get a pic posted...

Mine is actually an octagon-barreled rifle configuration (crescent buttplate/forend cap vs band) that was cut to 20", which is why it was quite affordable.

 

[Speedo66]

Shotgun style buttplates, relatively flat, seem to transmit less recoil vs. the curved ones in my experience.

To the original poster, lots of old cartridges and old rifles are still around. The reloading tables always note when the load is beyond the capabilities of the older guns by saying something like "Ruger only" or "Marlin rifle". Unless marked otherwise, commercial ammo will work fine in the older guns.

 

[Slamfire]

I consider a 1940's M1894 to be in the modern era in terms of metallurgy. It is when you get back to around 1920 and earlier that I have real concerns about metal quality.

 

[Bbear]

Still use my Grandfather's 30 WCF. Made in 1906

 

[Merle1]

Still use my Grandfather's 30 WCF. Made in 1906
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that has really nice wood on it!