notaglockfanboy
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Really?!?!? Well let me help you with your communication issues, sport. My property, my rules. It is real easy to understand that, but if need be I can get the crayons and construction paper out and draw you a picture.
4 States Demand You Ask Permisson to Enter a Household With a Gun
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__________________Justin said:
And that means what, Colorado!
You assume much! But it's all cool. Those 4 states are sadly out the door!
Can you really draw? Crayons sound the most basic!
DHJenkins
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Red Wind said:
You've just outlined what the law is designed to do - if someone is carrying and the property owner doesn't like it, they walk away.
Well done for making my point for me - and for voluntarily following a law that doesn't actually affect you.
george burns
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It's going to complicate your relationships if someone drives a long distance to see you, and you ask them once they arrive if they are armed, and they nod yes, what do you then do? Do you send them home?
As far as that goes many service people who are independent contractors carry a weapon for protection also. As far as leaving it in the car goes, that is not something I would do, only because cars are constantly being broken into.
You face a problem as far as the notification part goes. To be fair about it, you must really tell people prior to their arriving that you don't allow firearms in your house, and leave it up to them weather they still want to come visit.
This is more to the character of the people who you generally invite to your home. I already know everyone who will be coming in my home and trust them enough to leave it up to them weather they choose to carry a gun. They already know I do, and none have ever brought it up.
Unless you own the Longbranch Saloon in Dodge City, it really is not a problem unless you choose to make it one, by asking people to suspend their freedom while in your company.
If you have some kind of new method to secure their wellbeing it would be nice to share that, but the last time I checked a robbery crew or emergency can pop up just about anyware, and what you are really asking is that everyone should trust you with their lives while at your home.
As far as that goes many service people who are independent contractors carry a weapon for protection also. As far as leaving it in the car goes, that is not something I would do, only because cars are constantly being broken into.
You face a problem as far as the notification part goes. To be fair about it, you must really tell people prior to their arriving that you don't allow firearms in your house, and leave it up to them weather they still want to come visit.
This is more to the character of the people who you generally invite to your home. I already know everyone who will be coming in my home and trust them enough to leave it up to them weather they choose to carry a gun. They already know I do, and none have ever brought it up.
Unless you own the Longbranch Saloon in Dodge City, it really is not a problem unless you choose to make it one, by asking people to suspend their freedom while in your company.
If you have some kind of new method to secure their wellbeing it would be nice to share that, but the last time I checked a robbery crew or emergency can pop up just about anyware, and what you are really asking is that everyone should trust you with their lives while at your home.
"A great deal of people come into my home, but not all are friends. Also, it would be less disconcerting and I'd feel a lot safer if unacknowledged permission would be required."
My sense is that the people who ask aren't likely to pose a problem, and the people who might be a problem won't ask, law or no law. YMMV, of course.
My sense is that the people who ask aren't likely to pose a problem, and the people who might be a problem won't ask, law or no law. YMMV, of course.
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TennJed said:
The best post, which makes no sense ever! I am clever, you are stupid!
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In this case I feel the law is utterly irrelevant. If you are at a good friend or relative's home who knows you carry, and asks you not to in their home, then you should respect their wishes.
If you carry into someone's home and they make you, and ask you to leave, or remove the gun from their home, you should respect their wishes, as it is THEIR HOME.
Am I going to walk in and declare "I am armed for my own protection!"? No I'm not going to do that. If I think the owner may have an issue with it, I may pull them aside and ask for their blessing or rejection.
Any way you slice it, do as you wish in your home, and respect the homes of people you visit. Follow those simple rules, and the need for this law is negated.
If you carry into someone's home and they make you, and ask you to leave, or remove the gun from their home, you should respect their wishes, as it is THEIR HOME.
Am I going to walk in and declare "I am armed for my own protection!"? No I'm not going to do that. If I think the owner may have an issue with it, I may pull them aside and ask for their blessing or rejection.
Any way you slice it, do as you wish in your home, and respect the homes of people you visit. Follow those simple rules, and the need for this law is negated.
oneounceload
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And exactly what I told you Red in the other thread. Your rights are between you and the government, not a private property owner.
Plan2Live
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I see this as a common sense rule. The homeowner knows more than I do about the dynamics inside his or her home at that moment. There might be times when I am welcome in someone's home while carrying and times when I am not. The difference might be the presences of other people, their mental state, etc. The dynamic might have changed between the time I began my trip to a person's home and the time I arrived. I always obey this SC law and so far have never been denied entry.
I'll throw out another one to consider. I often go to a friend's house to socialize. The commute is around 35 miles one way so I am always armed. But, depending on the time of year and the event itself it might be difficult for me to engage in the things we are going to engage in, like working on his car or taking a dip in the pool, while concealing a firearm. He has a GunVault reaction box by his back door that I talked him into buying when his first grand daughter started scooting around. I helped him set it up so I know the combination. Sometimes, I walk in and head straight for the GunVault, disarm and lock it up. Still close by and available but out of the way.
I'll throw out another one to consider. I often go to a friend's house to socialize. The commute is around 35 miles one way so I am always armed. But, depending on the time of year and the event itself it might be difficult for me to engage in the things we are going to engage in, like working on his car or taking a dip in the pool, while concealing a firearm. He has a GunVault reaction box by his back door that I talked him into buying when his first grand daughter started scooting around. I helped him set it up so I know the combination. Sometimes, I walk in and head straight for the GunVault, disarm and lock it up. Still close by and available but out of the way.
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Trouble on The High Road
Mr. Moderator, what do we do when someone is totally negative, has nothing meaningful to contribute, picks fights, and insults others by calling them names such as stupid, etc. ?
Mr. Moderator, what do we do when someone is totally negative, has nothing meaningful to contribute, picks fights, and insults others by calling them names such as stupid, etc. ?
notaglockfanboy
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Yes it is, that is why Red wind don't understand it.
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Red Wind
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I'm just go to Jack Reacher. If I am in one of those 46 states that allow me to walk into your front door without, notifying I'm carrying , I'm coming in.
Now, if for some unforeseen reason, you suspect me of having a evil weapon, ask me out right. You tell me me drop the piece. I walk away .
It's as simple as that.
Now, if for some unforeseen reason, you suspect me of having a evil weapon, ask me out right. You tell me me drop the piece. I walk away .
It's as simple as that.
I've wondered the same thing- and this is NOT the first time Red Wind has been non-highroad.
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We ban you, Mr. Brilliant Gun Master!
george burns
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Kodiac, in order to respect someone's wishes, they need to know what those wishes are. So once again, are you going to tell them ahead of time that they are invited but with no gun, or are you going to shake them down at the door?
there aren't really any other ways to do it are there?
it's not a matter of what your rights are, it's how you plan on enforcing them.
People who don't know of your policy, should be made aware of it prior to making the decision on weather they choose to continue with the visit, or on the other hand choose to take a pass.
In essence you are asking them to trust that you will be able to protect all who enter from all problems past , present, and future that could occur on your premises.
I feel that once you put restrictions on people who you invite to your home it becomes a little awkward to say the least.
And I don't see unless you know unsavory people who get drunk and shoot up your home, how this is the least bit productive, or safer for anyone.
No harm intended, just trying to make sense of this, and how it is to be executed.
there aren't really any other ways to do it are there?
it's not a matter of what your rights are, it's how you plan on enforcing them.
People who don't know of your policy, should be made aware of it prior to making the decision on weather they choose to continue with the visit, or on the other hand choose to take a pass.
In essence you are asking them to trust that you will be able to protect all who enter from all problems past , present, and future that could occur on your premises.
I feel that once you put restrictions on people who you invite to your home it becomes a little awkward to say the least.
And I don't see unless you know unsavory people who get drunk and shoot up your home, how this is the least bit productive, or safer for anyone.
No harm intended, just trying to make sense of this, and how it is to be executed.
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Oh, My Golly, Miss Molly! So much sensitivity! The pain! It's so Victorian!
DHJenkins
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georgeburns, I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly can't think of a scenario where I either:
a) Was going to someone's house and didn't know how they felt about guns
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b) I invited someone to my house without knowing how they felt about guns
It's common sense - don't go where you're not wanted. The fact that such a basic premise has to be codified into law is what I find truly egregious.
Of course, there is a "c", which is "Anyone I know cared", but that's specific to me.
EDIT: You also question real-world enforcement without looking at real-world situations in which this would *have* to be enforced. When would it be? When an armed person in your house won't leave.
a) Was going to someone's house and didn't know how they felt about guns
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b) I invited someone to my house without knowing how they felt about guns
It's common sense - don't go where you're not wanted. The fact that such a basic premise has to be codified into law is what I find truly egregious.
Of course, there is a "c", which is "Anyone I know cared", but that's specific to me.
EDIT: You also question real-world enforcement without looking at real-world situations in which this would *have* to be enforced. When would it be? When an armed person in your house won't leave.
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jim in Anchorage
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I hope some of you here have more consideration to the feelings of others then I read here. Some people are afraid of heights. Some people are afraid of fire. Some are afraid of snakes. Some are afraid of yes believe it or not, guns. It may be irrational but to them it's real. So if you know some one is afraid of snakes would you insist on coming into their home with a python draped around your neck? Can't be without a gun for a short while? Who irrational now?
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Dang. We (mods) noticed this early on, had high hopes, now sadly dashed against the rocks.
Say good night.
Say good night.
Gentlemen, I am sorry this went as far as I did. I was caught up in other matters, building a rifle actually, and neglected to check back in. When I saw this thread I knew it would end in flames, this topic always does but I had hoped for better discourse than what you received.
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