.40S&W Which Self Defense Round??

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Reasons for .40SW over 10mm

Why would anyone mess with 40S&W when 10mm is vastly superiour in every way possible????
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1) Twenty dollars a box for "cheap" plinking ammo!! :eek:

2) Can't buy it at Wallyworld!!!

3) Yeah, you can order it on line, but by the time you pay for shipping, you have just shelled out full retail anyway!! :mad:


The pluses of the round.

1) You can buy two different Glocks that chamber it!! :cool:

2) You can get barrels that will convert said Glocks to fire .40 S&W!! :evil:
 
Try using facts next time. :D

If that scary thing called the MAIL doesn't make you run and hide, you can get 10mm practice ammo for as little as $160/1,000. Even with shipping, that is cheaper than almost any .45 ACP practice fodder out there. You can get CCI Blazers on sale for a little bit more. Of course, if you are too dumb to shop for ammo, then you deserve to get soaked... I've seen $12 boxes of 9x19 and $18 boxes of .45 ACP, too, but I wasn't dumb enough to buy those, either.

:neener:

As for ballistics... fuhgeddaboutit. When you've got 180gr @ 1,320 ft/sec from a 4.6" barrel with factory ammo out of a .40 S&W, let me know. Exploding single-shots don't count. ;)

Back to the topic... and BTW I like 165gr Golden Sabers in .40 S&W.
 
Aguila IQ. 95 gr aluminum alloy bullet at 1500fps at standard pressures. They don't load them +P because they were penetrating bulletproof vests consistantly, or, at least, that's the rumor. Anyway, If you hit a hard object the bullet collapses into a sharp point allowing it to penetrate entire cars, 3/4" bulletproof glass, etc. If it hits a soft target it breaks into 3 or 4 sharp pieces, which i like better than the glaser which will break into a hundred pieces which won't cut through organs and ricochet off bone. Also, the aguila is $10 for a box of 20, as opposed to roughly 4 times that amount for RBCD, which is also awesome ammo. Glasers are 12 for 6, which is roughly as much as the RBCD and isn't nearly as good. If i were a proponent of energy on target being the key factor in manstopping, i'd buy RBCD, however, i'm a proponent of the multiple permanent would cavities school of thought (being a medic and nursing student i'm confident that i made the right choice), so i like the aguila, however, both the aguila and RBCD will undoubtebly f*** you up better than most anything on the market.
 
165gr Federal Hydrashoks as primary and 180gr Golden sabres in the spare mag.

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RE:Why do the Federal Hydro shoks have a little raised dot of lead in the middle of the hollow point? This always confused me.

The post is a funcional part of the design. It redirects the hydrolic flow to the sides of the cavity to add in expansion. I have used Hydra-Shok since it was being made by the original Hydra-Shok Corp. It works especially well in low velocity rounds like the .45 ACP.

The same man designed the StarFire hollowpoint and a bullet designed to fragment into three pieces. The name of that round may be Trifire, but the surety of that name and the inventors escapes my memory at this exactl momemt.

Minimal nitpick, note the spelling is Hydra-Shok.

Jerry
 
What do you guys think about Hydra Shoks and "overpenetration?" My concealed handgun course instructor loads Glaser safety slugs in his carry piece. He asked me what happens when I shoot a Hydra-shok into a gallon jug of water. I said that it goes through three of them and he said that a Glaser will decimate one without going through and will do the same to a human (yes, I'm aware that humans are not made of water contained by a thin plastic coating). That really made me think of trying out the Glasers. He also recommended some others and said that Corbon 150gr hollow points will have similar results as far as not overpenetrating according to his own impromptu tests. Anyone have any thoughts or experience on this?

brad cook
 
Digme, see my post above on the different design criteria between the 135gr. Cor-Bon and the 165gr. Remington Golden Saber. The Glasers are great IF they hit somewhere where they can damage something significant in about 6" of penetration. If the BG is wearing heavy clothing, or is very heavy-set, or has a lot of muscle mass, a torso hit with a Glaser might not penetrate far enough to hit a vital organ. It'll certainly make a very nasty flesh wound, but if the BG is hopped up on some sort of narcotic, he may not feel it quickly enough to stop his attack. Also, the Glaser isn't great on shooting through cover.

That's why the "exotic" rounds are not carried by police - they need something that can penetrate when necessary, but also do enough damage to stop an attacker.
 
My CZ 75B likes Winchester 155 grain SilverTip HP's. They seem to shoot where I point them and feed well. If I do my part, I'm sure they will do thiers.
 
Cor Bon 135 gr

Our Dept issue, and must carry on duty ammo, is the Cor-Bon 135. We have over 200 Officers. City/Suburban and some country areas. Our issue weapon for uniforms is the Glock 35. Out of that long barrel, we have pretty immpressive velocity. We have had a couple dogs that needed shooting and one BG. Round seems to work pretty well. I think of it as basically a high cap .357 magnum loaded with 125 GR. HP. give or take a few grains of bullet weight. Ballistically, it seems to be a pretty close match.
 
Why mess with 10mm when .500sw is vastly superior in every way?:rolleyes:

My dad can beat up your dad.:D

I like .40's, even if it offends 10mm fans

:confused::p :)
 
I've carried Cor-Bon 135-grain JHP's. Real sizzlers! Never had to actually use them on anybody, so I can't tell you how good they work. :D
 
good place for load info

is www.tacticalforums.com go to the terminal effects forum, it's moderated by a pathologist and wound ballistics expert. AWESOME info! absolutley no BS allowed there, If you make a statement there you DAMN well better have good, reputable info to back up what you say, not any gunrag crap or "Strasbourg goat plinking" hoax bs. I'm a pretty smart guy, and the discussions there still quickly go over my head. Forget what gunshop commandos say, these guys are the REAL professionals. It's pretty funny when someone cites a gunrag in there, to watch how quickly the Mods destroy his arguments with cold hard science and expose the person as the fool they are.
The general consensus over there is that the Hydra-shok was a decent design when it was created 15 years ago, but It is far surpassed by newer designs, like Ranger T, gold dot, golden saber(in some bullet weights) and Federal Tactical LE. the problem with the Hydra-shok is it works good in gelatin, where the post can facilitate expansion, but when shot through clothing the post clogs up much more easily and it turns into an expensive FMJ. Many of the tests have Hydra-shoks clogging and exiting the test medium every time when shot through denim.Also, the prefragmented rounds are advised against, due to inadequate penetration and poor results in actual shoots
Let me put it this way: the information there is reliable and detailed enough that I've switched from 230 gr. Hydra-shoks to 230gr. Winchester Ranger T+P.
 
I love the 155gr Winchester SilverTips. Top conventional load in the Struassborg goat test a few years back. Very accurate, never had a malfunction. Works for me in Glock 22, 23C and a 27. I have heard that the 165gr bullets in the 40S&W are the most accurate.
 
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