6.5 x 284 V. 6.5 Creedmore V. 6.5 WinMag DFW, TX

[GlockNation]

Hey guys:

I have a 6.5 x 55 Swede and I really like the caliber. I am thinking of getting another 6.5 in a rifle of longer reach, just for kicks and grins. I am considering a 6.5 x 284, a 6.5 Creedmore, and a 6.5 Win Mag. Not interested in a Remington due to Remis reportedly having a 1:9 twist or higher or something like that in their Swede. Sorry to the Rem guys but because of that I can't trust Remington.

I would prefer one of the above with the following characteristics:

1. In a tighter twist like the the Swedes (1:7.5 or 1:8) so that I can shoot the heavier rounds like 140 and 156 grain;

2. With recoil closest to the Swede, which does not kick very hard (dream on?).

3. Which would have the greatest availability of ammo ( I don't hand load).

Thanks in advance for your advice!

P.S. If you have one for sale and live in Texas please let me know!

 

[TurtlePhish]

Don't know all that much about the others, but 6.5-.284 Norma devours barrels and has outstanding long-range performance.

 

[Kachok]

No the 6.5-284 does not devour barrels, like all overbore cartrages it will wear them out over time, and those benchrest guys are shooting alot with very little time to cool the barrel, that is why they only get 1,500 or so rounds before they loose world class accuracy, it would probably take us mere mortals 3k or more before we noticed a difference.
The 6.5 Creedmore is great, but in all reality it will do nothing the Sweed won't, I load my 6.5x55 to 2740fps with 140gr bullets, and the benchrest guys pass that up by another 100-200fps with the Sweed. I think you money would be better spent on a press and dies then a new rifle.
The .264 win mag is a beast of a gun, it packs a 300 win mag powder charge behind a 6.5mm bullet, now that very well may eat barrels like tacos.
The 6.5-284 will outperform the 6.5x55 by over 100fps but ammo/brass is still expensive so I have not bothered with it yet. If you wanted a 6.5-284 Savage builds them in their long range hunter line and 12 series target rifles.
I don't blame you on the Remington thing, they have let me down three times in a row so I won't be touching another one until the evil empire (CCM) fires their QC staff because what I got was piss poor.

 

[tahoe2]

6.5 x 284

Never shot one, but my neighbor has a Win M70 featherweight in .284 win that will touch 3 out of 5 at 100yds.
the 6.5 is only .5 less than the .284, I don't see how that would eat barrels. We load 140's @ 2900 fps and got
that group specified above. He took a couple of antelope last Oct with 130grns @ 3000 fps. Recoil is not bad at all !

 

[WYcoyote]

I have a 6.5-.284 and a 260 Rem and like them both.
I don't consider a 6.5-.284 any more a barrel burner than a 25-06 or a .243.
The Creedmore is more in the the power class of the 6.5-47 Lapua and .260 Rem. For a step up go with the 6.5-.284, for 2 steps pick the Win.
The 6.5 Rem Mag belongs in this group too, right between them.

 

[USSR]

GlockNation,

While you don't say what action your 6.5x55 Swede is, IF it's a modern commercial action, you are simply being held back by not handloading for it. I shot the 6.5x55 for several years in 1,000 yard F Class competition and gave up nothing to the 6.5-.284 shooters. I shot the 139gr and 142gr bullets at 2925 - 2950fps and only required 25.5MOA from a 100 yard zero to reach 1k.

Don

 

[GlockNation]

6.5

Don:

I have two Swedes: a Kimber factory sporterized converted Carl Gustoff 1898 (sweet conversion) and a sporterized M38 Husky, also well done but I don't know who did the conversion. I have shot factory VLDs (HSM with Berber bullets) though both without any problems, but that is as hot as I am will to take those rifles. The VLDs did shoot about 3 inches higher than the Winchester soft points.

Thanks

 

[rayatphonix]

I have a Creedmoor, 260 and 6.5 Rem Mag. The CM and 260 are very close ballistically to the Swede and I don't think you'd see much difference. The RM would be a good compromise between your Swede and the 284 but since you don't load, you're out of luck there. That leaves the 6.5x284. Be prepared for a big recoil difference.

 

[1948CJ2A]

If you really want to go overbore, check out a custom 6.5-300 Weatherby. Only mention that because you noted a 6.5-300 Win Mag in your OP. I've read that some folks get only 500 or so rounds fired before its time to rebarrel. So if you shoot a lot, this wouldn't be ideal but it would be unique nonetheless.

That said, the 6.5-284 seems to be what the bench shooters like most. I would jump on one if I found the right deal.

 

[303tom]

If you are going to put the .264 Win. Mag. in that bunch then why not go on up to the big dog, the 6.5x68 ?

 

[USSR]

have two Swedes: a Kimber factory sporterized converted Carl Gustoff 1898 (sweet conversion) and a sporterized M38 Husky

GlockNation,

Don't you mean a 1896 Carl Gustoff? I had my 6.5x55 F Class Rifle built by Terry Cross to the following specs:

Winchester CRF action
28" AMU contour fluted Obermeyer barrel
McMillan Prone Stock
Williams Steel One-Piece bottom metal
Jewell Trigger
Speed Lock firing pin and spring
Badger 20MOA picatinny rail

With the long and high quality Obermeyer barrel, I can easily get the same velocity that most guys run their 6.5-.284 rigs at (2950fps). Here are a couple of loads I use:

Lapua brass
Russian primer
139gr Lapua Scenar
47.2gr VV N160

Lapua brass
Russian primer
142gr Sierra MatchKing
48.0gr RL22

Note: These loads are only suitable for a modern, strong commercial action, and not Swedish military rifles sporterized or otherwise.

Don

 

[jimniowa]

I have two 6.5-284 rifles. The first one built on a Rem 700 vsl with a Kreiger 26" 1:8 barrel tricked out for 1000 yd shooting. I then bought a Savage Long Range Hunter also 1:8 barrel it had some chamber issues and has recently been returned from the factory. My custom Rem weighs in at 19lbs so I am quite happy to shoot it off the bench with good results. The Savage is in the learning period doing 1.5" at 100 with less than 100 down the tube. I believe it to be a scope mounting problem, or it does not like the 140g bullets/ powder that works for the other rifle.
I also agree that the 6.5-284 is no more a barrel burner than others mentioned. As example if one loads a 22-250 to loads close to a .220 swift it will burn out as fast as the swift. I keep my loads around 2900 fps for the 6.5-284. The down side is the ammo and brass. Ammo is avaiable but scarce and expensive. Reloaders can use Win .284 necked down to .6.5 (easy and cheap) Hornady,Lapua, and Norma make the brass good but costly. For me this is my go to rifle in this country for all game with the exception of large bears and hateful ex wives.
Jim

 

[GlockNation]

ussr

Yes sir, you are correct I meant 1896.

 

[GlockNation]

ex wives

For me this is my go to rifle in this country for all game with the exception of large bears and hateful ex wives.
Jim

Jim that is hysterically funny!

 

[RPRNY]

With both of your 6.5x55 based on original Mausers, safety suggests a max of 51,000 psi (SAAMI max) even though CIP (EU) sets 55,000 psi as max, because CIP is set using modern actions whereas SAAMI is based on a "Swedish Mauser standard". In view of that, you are strongly encouraged to go 6.5x284. The Swede on 'roids.