A question for any active duty military?
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esheato said:Scoob,
I'm active duty USAF, but I'm only an intel weenie. They don't give me a gun.
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....in the good ol' ONW days, I carried one as an ANG intel weenie....but then again I supported a rescue unit.
For us USAF/ANG/AFRES intel folks we are able to dual qualify on weapons....officers can qualify (and carry) on the M-16/GAU/M4 and e's on the Beretta M9....but those were the only weapons we could qualify on.
medmo said:
Thats because the media and game makers have dumbed people down to an even lower level than I previously thought possible.
SF, or Special Forces is the Green Berets. Period. Everyone else is either SEALs, Force Recon, SOTG, PJ's or whatever their unit names actually are.
Now SOF is a different ball game. But luckily most common joes dont use that term, it leaves even more room for butchery and mis-use.
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Well, what confuses the media is tha fact that most of the groups mentioned-Army Special Forces, Rangers and 160th Special Ops Aviation Regt, Navy SEALs, AF PJs, and the new Marines special warfare battalion-all fall under the command of SOCOM-Special Operations Command. (For some reason, I don't think Force Recon does. The Marines keep them separate.) Since SOCOM has Special in the name, reporters and editors who don't know any better-because they never were in the military and are to lazy to open up Jane's Defense Guide-call all of them 'special forces.'
Just like the "news" article I read that stated that the USMC is adding "Special Forces" to their infantry inventory for the first time in it's history. In reality the USMC isn't adding anything..... The Corps is revising some strategy by making certain MEU's Special Operations Capable, (SOC); These designated MEU's have organic resources and training that make them fast moving, hard hitting and strategically located which should be bad news for terrorist types. They are highly mobile, agile and hostile but do not have the same mission as Green Berets.
Not to sound like a dick, but that kind of question is usally associated with 16 year old's who "dream" of being a 'SF Delta Sniper" and have seen the movie BlackHawk Down way to many times.
Your issued your weapon based on your MOS and your assigned units TO & E. Period. their is little lattiude in the Big green Army for anyone to use what they want. as to purchasing your own....forget about it. There is a General Order from CENTCOM that covers personnel weapons. Sure if you get over their you will most likely Barter/trade/buy a pistol,AK, etc. but you CoC will most likely take it away from you. and you certaily will not be bringing it back. Go enlist and find out for yourself....
Your issued your weapon based on your MOS and your assigned units TO & E. Period. their is little lattiude in the Big green Army for anyone to use what they want. as to purchasing your own....forget about it. There is a General Order from CENTCOM that covers personnel weapons. Sure if you get over their you will most likely Barter/trade/buy a pistol,AK, etc. but you CoC will most likely take it away from you. and you certaily will not be bringing it back. Go enlist and find out for yourself....
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Not sure what harm he did by asking his questions. If your only exposure to the military is the media and hollywood then you might not have a very accurate picture of reality.
I have no military experience and, while I feel like I'm a little better informed than the average joe, I learned something from this thread. And I'm certainly not a sixteen-year-old even though I have seen Blackhawk Down.
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I have no military experience and, while I feel like I'm a little better informed than the average joe, I learned something from this thread. And I'm certainly not a sixteen-year-old even though I have seen Blackhawk Down.
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I may be missing something here, but if you know how to use an M16 and can't figure out an M4, there's something seriously wrong, and I don't want you anywhere near my area of operations.
"I may be missing something here, but if you know how to use an M16 and can't figure out an M4, there's something seriously wrong, and I don't want you anywhere near my area of operations."
Okay.... With the current 5.56 ammo what is the difference of one click elevation between the M16 and M4? How about windage? Okay so I'm nitpicking but even transferring from an M16 to an M4 requires training to use it "proficiently". Yes, I know it doesn't make a difference if someone is trying to hit their grandmother's butt at 20 paces.
Okay.... With the current 5.56 ammo what is the difference of one click elevation between the M16 and M4? How about windage? Okay so I'm nitpicking but even transferring from an M16 to an M4 requires training to use it "proficiently". Yes, I know it doesn't make a difference if someone is trying to hit their grandmother's butt at 20 paces.
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