A Weapon Surrendered

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National Review
March 25, 2004

A Weapon Surrendered
by John R. Lott Jr.

Gun-control groups concede the frivolity of the “assault-weapons ban.â€

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200403250907.asp

The so-called "assault-weapons ban," a hallmark of the gun-control movement, is dead. After a decade of claiming that the ban is crucial to reducing crime and protecting police, gun-control organizations have suddenly morphed into Gilda Radner's old Saturday Night Live character, Roseanne Rosanna-Dana, saying "never mind."

An example? Take the statements made recently on National Public Radio by a representative of the Violence Policy Center. NPR described the VPC as "one of the more aggressive gun groups in Washington." Yet the VPC's representative claimed: "If the existing assault-weapons ban expires, I personally do not believe it will make one whit of difference one way or another in terms of our objective, which is reducing death and injury and getting a particularly lethal class of firearms off the streets. So if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass."

The NPR reporter noted: "[the Violence Policy Center's representative] says that's all the [assault-weapons ban] brought about, minor changes in appearance that didn't alter the function of these weapons."

These are "aggressive" gun controllers? These are points one expects to hear them from the NRA. True, there is not a single academic study showing that either the state or federal bans have reduced violent crime. Even research funded by the Justice Department under the Clinton administration concluded merely that the ban's "impact on gun violence has been uncertain."

And it is also true that the ban arbitrarily outlaws some guns based on brand name or cosmetic features — such as whether a rifle has two or more of the following: a bayonet mount, a pistol grip, a folding stock, or a threaded muzzle. These were not machine guns: The federal assault-weapons ban applied to semi-automatics that fire one bullet per pull of the trigger. Not only could someone buy some other semi-automatic gun that wasn't banned that fired the same bullets, with the same rapidity and with the same damage, but even the banned guns could be sold under a different name or after, say, the bayonet mount was removed.

Yet, one almost faints when one now hears gun-control groups make these same points. Previously the VPC claimed that it was a "myth" that "assault weapons merely look different. The NRA and the gun industry today portray assault weapons as misunderstood ugly ducklings, no different from other semi-automatic guns. But while the actions, or internal mechanisms, of all semi-automatic guns are similar, the actions of assault weapons are part of a broader design package. The 'ugly' looks of the TEC-9, AR-15, AK-47 and similar guns reflect this package of features designed to kill people efficiently."

Other hysterical assertions were that "many semi-automatic assault weapons can be, and often are, easily converted to automatic fire with modest tools and skill" or described these cosmetic features as "lethal design features."

So why the conversion? The simple reason is that gun-control groups' credibility is on the line. A year from now, it will be obvious to everyone that all the horror stories about banning what have been labeled "assault weapons" were wrong.

Eliminating the ban will not produce an upward surge in crime. There will be no upward surge in police killings. Gun controllers have a problem: It will be much harder for legislators and the press to take gun-control groups' apocalyptic claims seriously after they fail to materialize on such a high-profile issue.

It is not just the gun-control groups who have mischaracterized the issue. Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry supports extending the ban because, "When I go out there and hunt, I'm going out there with a 12-gauge shotgun, not an assault weapon." Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.) has said that allowing the ban to expire will "inevitably lead to a rise in gun crimes." Ratcheting up the fear factor to an entirely new level, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) says the ban is one of "the most effective measures against terrorism that we have."

Despite gun-control organizations' finally agreeing that the semi-automatic gun ban now doesn't matter, too much has been made of the importance of this legislation for too many years. Somehow, the obvious failure of the semi-automatic-gun ban will be a fitting epitaph for one of the gun-control movement's hallmark pieces of legislation. It would have been nice if gun-control organizations had been honest and told us all of this a decade ago.
 
HONEST!!! What planet are you from? Honesty has nothing to do with this issue at all. Its all about control & if honest americans have to die waiting for the police to arrive after dialing 911, well thats just fine with chucky & teddy...
 
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) says the ban is one of "the most effective measures against terrorism that we have."

Exaggeration, as any good leftist extremist will assure you, is a million billion trillion times more effective than sticking to the plain old-fashioned facts.
 
If Lott is right in his argument that the VPC has abandoned the AWB as untenable and silly, why is it that both Bush and Kerry support it?
 
When your enemies start to talk the same line you do.. WATCH OUT.

My bet is that they will try for a full-on SEMI-AUTO ban since the only real differences are cosmetic.

"Gee we tried to give the good gun owners a break, but its really just any semi-auto killing our kids by the hundreds in the street."

Watch your backs boys.
 
Lessee, since the `93 ban the overall number of guns owned by the American public, the number of states going to "shall issue" concealed weapons permits and the number of Americans legally carrying concealed weapons have all increased, yet 'gun violence' (and crime in general) has continued to decline.

What does it all mean, Batman???

Maybe an armed society is a polite society?
 
I wonder......if there is a statistic of how many people died while waiting for 911 to dispatch the police or the police to respond...........while a goblin was entering a home or causing harm....




Rusher
 
"If Lott is right in his argument that the VPC has abandoned the AWB as untenable and silly, why is it that both Bush and Kerry support it?"

Kerry Supports it, because he is a socialist.
Bush made a political statement that if the bill were to come to his desk he would renew it. He never claimed to fight for the renewal of the ban. His "support" of the AW Ban is questionable.
 
Bush made a political statement that if the bill were to come to his desk he would renew it. He never claimed to fight for the renewal of the ban. His "support" of the AW Ban is questionable.

OK, it seems to me that saying he'd sign it is one heck of a lot more supportive than saying he'd veto it, but I'll concede the point that he hasn't been actively pushing his support of it, he merely supports it in a more passive way.

Still, my question remains. If the ban is a political leper at this point, why does W want to go anywhere near it?
 
Still, my question remains. If the ban is a political leper at this point, why does W want to go anywhere near it?

What makes you say he wants to go anywhere near it? Has he made any statements about in within the last 4 years? I haven't heard any. If you want to hate Bush, you should base it on something he's actually said or done.
 
My bet is that they will try for a full-on SEMI-AUTO ban since the only real differences are cosmetic.
I wouldn't bet against you on that.
Problem is, WE (gunowners) have been making this argument to them for years.
"The only difference between assault weapons and hunting rifles are cosmetic", and they've finally realized they need to exploit that by using our own words against us.
 
What makes you say he wants to go anywhere near it? Has he made any statements about in within the last 4 years? I haven't heard any. If you want to hate Bush, you should base it on something he's actually said or done.

Better make that the last three years. :D Here's what he was saying FOUR years ago, while campaiging for President. He was all for making the ban permanent, ending the so-called "gun show loophole", and makig it illegal for anyone under 21 to own a handgun. (I certainly didn't think myself a "juvenile" at age 20!)

The guy was, and is, a mixed bag. He's not as bad as the Democrat, but he's no prize.
 
My bet is that they will try for a full-on SEMI-AUTO ban since the only real differences are cosmetic.

"Gee we tried to give the good gun owners a break, but its really just any semi-auto killing our kids by the hundreds in the street."

That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think their point is "assault weapons aren't any more dangerous than other semi-auto guns" it's that "all semi-autos are just as dangerous as assault weapons."

If Kerry gets elected, I wouldn't be surprised by a bill that bans all semi-autos. And of course Kerry would support it "when I go hunting, I use a pump or double barreled shotgun. Noone needs a semi-auto." :fire:
 
My bet is that they will try for a full-on SEMI-AUTO ban since the only real differences are cosmetic.
...and Kerry would sign the bill. IMO, Bush would never sign such Draconian legislation. There's a big difference between Bush and Kerry when it comes to gun control.

Bush gave fair warning to the House and Senate to not let the AWB get to his desk. They have heeded the warning. Does that mean he wanted to sign the AWB, or he just wouldn't veto it? There is a difference. IMO, Kerry would have fought for an even tougher AWB.
 
What makes you say he wants to go anywhere near it? Has he made any statements about in within the last 4 years? I haven't heard any. If you want to hate Bush, you should base it on something he's actually said or done.

As Brett pointed out, he remains a supporter. If he's retracted that support during his term, I haven't heard it. I don't hate Bush, but he supports the AWB, and I don't like that very much.
 
riverdog, why wouldn't he sign it? What has he vetoed? Would he refuse to sign because he thinks it isn't Constitutional? If such a bill were to come it would be in his second term, so he would have no fear of angering his pro RKBA supporters and ruining his chance for re election.
 
Bush made a political statement that if the bill were to come to his desk he would renew it. He never claimed to fight for the renewal of the ban. His "support" of the AW Ban is questionable.
Bush has stated that he supports the AWB as it exists. If the Congress sends him a radically changed bill he will likely veto it.This way, he gets to play both sides of the equation.

He can tell the gun controllers "I supported the ban but this was too radical."

He can tell the pro-gunners "See, fellas, I'm on your side."
 
Exaggeration, as any good leftist extremist will assure you, is a million billion trillion times more effective than sticking to the plain old-fashioned facts.

And when that fails, it's time to outright lie.


Kerry- I only hunt tyrants, as is my right. A self-loading rifle is my ideal choice for that purpose!
 
Bush has stated that he supports the AWB as it exists.
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He can tell the pro-gunners "See, fellas, I'm on your side."

No, fella, I don't see how anyone who won't let me have more than 10 rounds, or a flash or noise suppressor, or a mean-looking pistol grip, is on my side. (Edited to clarify what exists.)
 
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