Airport X-ray Goggles

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Tell me that's not cool. It's almost as cool as the "airport" scanners in "Total Recall".

Seems to me, that's it's clear enough to stop false positives. Less hassle for the people going through it. And it'll detect plastic stuff too, by shape.
 
Notice how you can't see his femur, but you can see hit tibia? Umm, that sort of suggests that the Xray can't penetrate a medium layer of flash. A terrorist could make a custom holster out of thick leather, and have it made to blend with his body. Or something, they're always going to work around whatever precautions you have, meaning that you'll always need more precautions - indefinitely.

There is no such thing as total security, all these things do is affect law abiding citizens. They hassle ordinary people, and on an intuitive level they demonstrate who wears the pants in the social contract of gov't and citizens.

Hell, suppose you catch a terrorist trying to sneak on a loaded handgun - terrorists have no problem shooting up passenger terminals. On several occasions that has been the specific purpose of attacks.
 
Or something, they're always going to work around whatever precautions you have, meaning that you'll always need more precautions - indefinitely.
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That's the price of embracing technology.

There is no such thing as total security, all these things do is affect law abiding citizens. They hassle ordinary people, and on an intuitive level they demonstrate who wears the pants in the social contract of gov't and citizens.
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Citizens developed and sell this technology. Make it cheap enough, and everyone will have one. And you'll cut down drastically on terroristic incidents. Having a terrorist shoot up a passenger terminal isn't as bad as having a terrorist hijack a plane.
 
The radiation output is pretty impressive.

http://www.rapiscansystems.com/sec1000.html

It's less than backgound radiation exposure.

Medical

CT (CAT Scan):
Up to 1,000,000 microRem
Chest, Mammography:
Up to 10,000 microRem

Background Radiation

Denver (5000 ft): Up to 600 microRem per day Miami (sea level): Up to 300 microRem per day Inside vs. outside a building: Up to 25 microRem per day

Airline Passenger Dose

One hour flight: Up to 500 microRem per hour


Rapiscan Secure 1000

Less than 10 microRem per exam
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So, let me get this right...some of you guys are willing to risk driving across country than fly in a safe plane?? you do realize the chances of death are much much higher in a car than a plane, right?? IT is actually astronomically higher. Thats amazing.
 
Dude, it's not about safety, it's about control.

Some people expressed that they'd rather sit in a vehicle they control, on their schedule by their rules for several hours, than submit to be herded like chattel.
 
That's the price of embracing technology.
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Then if it's ineffective as they just get around it anyways, while the hassles to everyone else continually build, it's not worth it.


Citizens developed and sell this technology. Make it cheap enough, and everyone will have one. And you'll cut down drastically on terroristic incidents. Having a terrorist shoot up a passenger terminal isn't as bad as having a terrorist hijack a plane.
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Build a strong steel frame around the cockpit, keep it locked, and they won't be able to hijack the plane. These measures are because they're afraid they'll blow up the plane. It won't cut down on terrorist incidents at all no matter how many airports and places have them. They keep coming up with more and more obscure things they hadn't thought of. We got the shoe bomber and now we have to take off our shoes and get them x rayed. We got the liquid thing, and now we can't bring in any liquid over 4 oz. How about they fill the innards of a laptop with liquid explosive? Reshape plastic explosive to look like common household items? Fill toothpaste containers with plastic explosive? Or start swallowing condoms full of explosive? Anything is possible if you don't care whether you live or die afterwards. You can cut up your body and hide plastic explosive anywhere.
 
I think as long as they keep it voluntary and use it only as a secondary screening device, then most people won't cause a fuss over it. It sounds like they are being very careful to keep people's privacy upheld. I also think that many people will prefer it over a pat-down.
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Why would they spend billions to implement this if it's just going to be a "voluntary" alternative to a pat-down, and isn't significantly faster?

It's only "voluntary" until they are phased in, and then pat-downs will be conveniently phased out.

So, let me get this right...some of you guys are willing to risk driving across country than fly in a safe plane?? you do realize the chances of death are much much higher in a car than a plane, right?? IT is actually astronomically higher. Thats amazing.
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The absolute risk is still very, very small in driving, small enough that the benefits of driving can outweigh the drawbacks.

I LOVE to fly, and so do my children. If I could, I would fly all the time. I even love airports. But it has become so darn much of a hassle to fly that for trips under 900 miles or so (especially when you have medications, etc. for a special needs kid and are only allowed to have 2 hours' worth of nutrition for him in your carryon, with the rest required to be in the lose-me checked baggage), it's easier to drive, nearly as fast, and cheaper, all things considered. I really, really miss flying, but it is no longer as attractive an option as it once was.
 
Dude, it's not about safety, it's about the illusion of control.
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Fixed if for ya Lucky. :D

Which is what it is. I know that flying is safer than driving, but its the perception that I am in control of what happens that is the allure to drive rather than fly. I also know that when things go south on the freeways, it happens quick and you ain't got no control. You're just along for the ride.

Its a shame. In my lifetime flying has gone from a pleasurable experience where you were greeted with a smile, to being treated like cattle who are annoying the airline staff. The two times I've flown since 9/11 I've had to be on my best behavior to not knock some heads together when dealing with TSA "Security".
 
I like this machine,,, but,,, i think anyone that is passed through it should HAVE a gun, if they come up negative, make them go and get one. our airlines would be safer if everyone on them is armed.

Think about it,,,, if you have your weapon of choice, mp5, thompson, belt fed fifty, case of hand grenades, and 200 passengers armed with single shot pocket pistols, are you going to stand up and declare "this is a hijack".
We are dealing with "criminal" and "terrorist" and "psycho",,, not "stupid". If you were one of 200, with one or two shots, and someone stood and shouted hijack, and held a machine gun,,,, what will you do?
 
Sindawe,

When I say control, I am not talking about control of the conveyance, I am speaking of the control others (TSA) have over me!:(
 
Security theatre at it's finest. Intelligent people will look at airport security and think "There are still a thousand ways terrorists could effectively subvert the system. The money and effort required to reduce that number slightly isn't ever going to be worth it."

The public, on the other hand, looks at it and says "What else can you do, what other rights can I surrender, in order to make it Completely Safe?"
 
Yeah, I heard about this on the news. While I don't like the idea of it, I have another question about radiation exposures. Lets say I'm a business traveler, I'm going through airports 3-4 times a week. I do this for my entire career and one day I get cancer. Could the US government be facing a potential lawsuit for requiring me to be exposed to higher levels of radiation thus potentially causing my cancer?

Just something to think about.
 
Whadaya wanna bet only the wrong kind of people will be subject to the new machine. Do you honestly think Mickey Chertof will appear? Condi Rice? Alfred E. Bush? Do you think anyone of the ruling class, be it governmental or corporate, will subject themselves to the humiliation of a public strip search?

Why do I get the idea our betters think we are merely livestock?
 
Wonder what the alternative is if you refuse?
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A pat down is the alternative

Sure it is voluntary now, but what happens when it becomes mandatory, which it will.
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Right now it takes 45sec to screen one person, the cost of just one machine is 100k. I seriously doubt this will be required of all people any time soon. Look how long the lines are already at the airports just to pass through the metal detectors. There is no way they could x-ray each passenger and still keep people moving at a reasonable speed.
 
Just wait until these images start showing up on the internet- A whole new segment for the X rated pages called virtual porn- Then some computer guru will figure out a way to animate them- The possibilities are endless :p
 
I'm gonna put a 2 foot long piece hot water pipe insulation from my groin to my knee and see how well it blurs the privates. :p
 
Yeah, I heard about this on the news. While I don't like the idea of it, I have another question about radiation exposures. Lets say I'm a business traveler, I'm going through airports 3-4 times a week. I do this for my entire career and one day I get cancer. Could the US government be facing a potential lawsuit for requiring me to be exposed to higher levels of radiation thus potentially causing my cancer?
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That's a legitimate concern. I would want to see independent evaluation of the radiation dose.
The other issues are:

1) Does the unit save these images in a way that they can be associated with an individual?
2) Who has access to these images?
3) How long are they stored?
 
You guys are missing the point. It's all a money-saving device. They're going to start charging voyeurs to work for the TSA and run the machines. Think of the savings in wages.:D :evil: :D :neener:
 
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