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Al Gore's Speech--surprisingly good

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Cosmoline, Jan 16, 2006.

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  1. Cosmoline

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    I just read the text of Gore's MLK day speech and I must say I'm surprised. I actually agree with most of what he said. I expect to see the four horsemen coming anytime now.

    It's worth a read. He acknowledges that the problem with the growth in executive power stretches over many decades, and with some exceptions doesn't launch into the usual partisan attacks. He's close to the truth, I'm afraid. The signs and portents on their own may not be significant, but when added together they point in a terrifying direction. When Congress becomes a mere rubber stamp, and all real power rests with the Executive, then what is the difference between the President and Caesar? Between the limp Roman Senate of the imperial age and the Congress of today?

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1g.htm
     
  2. ReadyontheRight

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    I think it's sickening to hear this ....um.... gentleman talk about the "rule of law".:barf:

    Funny how he suddenly has such concern over the Constitution.

    From Al Gore's presidential campaign:

     
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    The Second Admnedment.

    --wally.
     
  4. rick_reno

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    I read it too - it was a good speech, considering who was giving it. He did hit many of the nails on the head with this one.
     
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    whilst I'm not sure that hell has frozen over, I do think that they're in the midst of a cold snap down there.
     
  6. Cosmoline

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    Tell me, what laws have been overturned on 2nd grounds in the courts?

    The courts are NOT going to protect us from an antigun President. Only Congress can. When the next Dem takes the helm, what hope do we have if the Executive can simply enact its own laws and declare half the people on THR "terrorists."

    Do I trust Gore? HELL NO!! But there's no denying he's right on the money this time. I don't think much of GW, and never have. But what really scares me is a President Gore or H. Clinton adopting the level of executive power GW has usurped. You have to look down the road with this. The problem didn't start with GW and it won't end with him--or with the "war on terror." An imperial executive with a left wing anti at the helm is the ultimate nightmare, but unless something is done SOON to check the power of the Executive--either by the Supreme Court or Congress--I fear in another decade the power just won't be there anymore and we'll have to resort to much more tragic means to deal with the problem.

    The best thing that could happen now is to have the more excessive anti-terror measures overthrown in court, including seizure of US citizens without trial or warrant, wiretaps without even a FISA warrant, and virtually limitless power of TSA jackboots. But so far most of the courts have been too timid and unwilling to challenge the executive in the "time of war." It now falls on Congress to stand up and earn its pay. If those branches fails, it falls back to us. And unseating some future Caesar will be neither easy nor pleasant.
     
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    Hi Fourays2,

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

    Kevin
     
  8. carebear

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    I think he means that which the 2nd has guaranteed us, not the amendment itself.

    The Praetorians couldn't have started naming Emperors if the people of Rome had all had glaidii and the will to use them.
     
  9. ReadyontheRight

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    The Democrats have no power. They can SAY whatever they want. It's pretty easy to take pot shots at the opposition.

    Does Al Gore have any evidence of DOING any of this while he was a heartbeat away from the Presidency for eight years?

     
  10. shermacman

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    Sad to see people believing al-Gore. He is the definition of a corrupt machine politician. His comments are interesting for two reasons:
    1) They are part of the Bush Derangement Syndrome
    2) They are the opposite of his actions.
     
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    Cosmoline -- you ARE right on the money with this. I just think we're better off not running to the fox to protect the henhouse.
     
  12. rick_reno

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    Comsmoline - +1. People better start looking past their noses - this utopian nightmare with Bush isn't going to last forever.
     
  13. Biker

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    I'll ditto Rick Reno on that, Cosmo.
    Biker
     
  14. Herself

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    +1, Cosmoline.
     
  15. RealGun

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    I don't believe Gore would have made such statements if he had been President, concerned about his own authority and ability to do what needs to be done. It is all essentially partisan. It is a political precedent though, likely to be quoted later, because a Democrat President might have some explaining to do if trying to assume the same level of power.

    Actually the sky is not falling, since the President's actions in question were a sincere effort to protect the country. Had the FISA court been asked, they might have approved the actions. The jury is still out whether the actions were illegal, despite what popular sentiment Gore wants to reinforce.
     
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    +1 cosmoline

    Why concentrate on who told the truth rather than what the truth is?

    Also, attacking Gore is like flogging a dead rabbit - pointless and gratuitous albeit potentially sickly satisfying.
     
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    RealGun is correct in that Al Gore would not have said this had he been president or running for president, but that doesn't detract from what he said. I think this creep towards tyranny is something that people with all kinds of different political beliefs can agree is potentially dangerous.
     
  18. RealGun

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    Actually I am a bit amused because I am well into Napalitano's book describing with many examples how the government at many levels routinely breaks the law in the name of enforcing the law. They get away with it too.
     
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    Al Gores

    Al's still "stuck on stupid" in 2000 and proves everytime he opens his mouth.:rolleyes:
     
  20. Vern Humphrey

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    What Gore says doesn't bother me, because I know he wakes up in the wee hours of the morning and says to himself, "If I hadn't prostituted myself and come out in favor of gun control, I'd be President of the United States right now."

    And that warms the cockles of my heart.:D
     
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    Good ole "No controlling authority" Al Gore...........


    Put a few more gray hairs on his head and people are going to start mistaking him for crazy Grampa Jimmy Carter.


    :rolleyes:
     
  22. 22-rimfire

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    Frankly I couldn't care less what Al Gore said or didn't say. I am just thrilled that he didn't end up as our president. Would we be in Iraq? Afghanistan? No... What would he have done after 9-11? Probably send a couple cruise missles toward Afghanistan and said he got retribution. We would now have a nuclear Iraq, and Iran claiming Iraq and Isreal as justification for its nuclear program. If you like would prefer this writing of history, Al Gore is your man.
     
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    and the NFA '34 was a sincere act to protect the country... etc

    who cares what bush's motivation is? he's still destroying our constitutional republic.


    seriously, it was an excellent speech. gore, did get a few facts wrong. e.g. the trend didn't START with the bush admin. arguably, it started with his. Arguably, it started with Reagan.

    In either case, YES, obviously gore is disingenuous, politically motivated and his actions were totally opposite of his words in this speech.

    He's still spot on in this speech, and I don't think anybody's buying that HE'S the solution. But i wish the whole country would read this speech.


    The best part was this:


    how could you say that and NOT support the 2A?
     
  24. RealGun

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    I will assume he didn't write it.
     
  25. taliv

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    heh, no argument there
     
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